Re: [CBQ] Cars in Captive Service

["Bill Schultz via groups.io" <jwschultz9=aol.com@groups.io>]

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I'm late to the conversation due to circumstances beyond my control.  Re. the movement of outbound Kable loads from Oregon, No. 52 would have been the train of choice until it and counterpart No. 45 were placed on overnight schedules beginning May 30, 1948.  Thereafter, using No. 52 would've added an additional 12 hours to the Oregon-Chicago movement.  While I have no proof, I'll hypothesize that that the Eola-Oregon turn was established coincident to the 5/30/48 schedule change to protect the Kable business.

Bill Schultz

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 11:06:09 PM CDT, Richard Gortowski via groups.io <rgortowski=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Leo,

I don't remember if it was determined how the cars from Kable got down to CUS prior to the Oregon Turn.  I'd be interested to know for sure.

Looking at my September 24, 1950 Employee timetable. there is a Wayfreight running daily, except Sunday from Eola to Oregon, and back again.  This is the Oregon Turn.  My understanding is it worked on the westbound run, except for Rochelle, where it just did set-outs and pick-ups. It waited at Oregon for Wayfreight #46 to deliver the cars picked up from Kable and took only these cars from Kable back to Aurora, without doing any work, to drop them before tying up in Eola.  Other cars from Mt Morris and Oregon would wait for the next eastbound working freight.

If the traffic prior to the Oregon Turn being put on was handled by a passenger train, a good candidate would be Train #52  In the December1947 Timetable, #52 had a dinner stop in Savanna at 4:30 pm and was due in Chicago at 8:35 pm.  It made every stop during it's route and could pick up cars from Kable at Oregon.

One of the Archives documents printed was the Train-off study done to try to kill Trains #45/52  in 1951.  Though they wanted to kill it due to very low ridership, they couldn't move some of it's responsibilities like dropping cars off at Oregon for Kable to trains like the Blackhawk.  It was an interesting study.

If I have any of this wrong, I welcome corrections. I'm trying to better understand how this service was handled.

Rich G.

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 09:58:49 PM CDT, Leo Phillipp via groups.io <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Rich and Bob,

Refresh my memory, did we ever resolve which eastbound passenger train handled the

Kable printed material direct from Oregon until it was taken off ? That’s when the Oregon Turn wayfreight was put on and a number of “jeeps” were outfitted for freight service. Vaguely I’m starting to remember Bill Schultz may have answered this some time back.

Also an interesting sidebar to this service. The Kable material cars went on the back of one of the two night Dinkies that departed Aurora around 5 or 7 ish. These also handled the modified baggage/wheel car returning turned wheel sets from the Aurora shops. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a picture of one these consists.

Leo

On Oct 4, 2023, at 7:52 PM, Richard Gortowski via groups.io <rgortowski=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:



Bob.

The Q used some wooden baggage cars in the 1450 series in captive service between Chicago and Mt Morris.  I have an F.R. Ritzman photo from Lake States of 1459 stenciled "FOR SERVICE ONLY BETWEEN CHICAGO AND MT MORRIS."  This is the same photo used by Jim Singer in Zephyr #47 in his Oregon and its Link to Mt. Morris sidebar.  My understanding is that these cars were used for LCL printed material from Kable that needed to go to CUS for shipping.  It would leave on the Oregon Turn to Aurora and presumably sent to Chicago on the back of a commuter train.  After unloading, the car would be sent to the 14th Street yard and returned to the Oregon yard on Daily Passenger Train #45.  The car would be moved from Oregon yard to Mt Morris on Daily Wayfreight Train #45, and, when loaded, returned on Daily Wayfreight Train #46 for placement on the Oregon Turn.  There would need to be several cars in this service.

I am modeling this service on my 1950 layout.  As Leo noted, there were also many "Jeeps" - the converted troop kitchens - in service for Kable. but these were mostly (I believe) sealed cars.  I'm looking forward to the "Jeep" Bulletin.

With multiple customers' completed work in the car, there would need to be some sort of documentation for Kable.  I'm not sure if this would result in a waybill.

Rich G

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 06:43:18 PM CDT, Robert Herrick <rdherrick@gmail.com> wrote:

I cannot find the photo of the old wood baggage cars with fishbelly frames that were stencilled return to Mount Morris, or something like that. I'm sure Rich Gortowski has the same photo or one like it so hopefully he will weigh in. At any rate, you answered my question about waybills. Thanks, Leo.

Bob

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