Re: [BRHSlist] [CBQ] BRHS web site now has a search tool for 'Q' businesses and industries

["William Hirt" <whirt@fastmail.com>]

Mark,

This is a problem for states such as Wyoming. And the problem is because when railroads issued their industry guides, industries were only listed at competitive points. So if the CB&Q was the only railroad in town, there is no easy record of what industries were served and what the nature of business of the industry/business. Some of it can be guesstimated from sources such as Sanborn maps. But for many smaller towns/cities the Sanborn map updates stopped anywhere from the mid-1920s to just prior to Word War II.

The C&NW did issue industry guides, but the last I've seen is circa Word War II. Now a little of the Wyoming information was contained in the 1955 directors report on the Denver-Billings line. But is was very general in this report and not to the level of detail from other sources. But this is where members can come in and add customers/detail to what already is listed.

 For example, I sent Jack information in this format:

Name	Nature of Industry	Location	Terminal Carrier's District	Station	FSAC #	Terminal Carrier	Remarks	Source
A. & D. Center, Incorporated	Assembling and consolidating carload freight	434 W. Polk St.	Canal & 16th St.	Chicago IL	00000	CB&Q		Chicago Switching District Tariff 22-G March 15, 1967

This is the level of detail that some of the industry guides provided. Some were more general like this example for Billings MT:

Name	Nature of Industry	Location	Terminal Carrier's District	Station	FSAC #	Terminal Carrier	Remarks	Source
Acme Trading Co.	Scrap			Billings MT	30839	CB&Q		NP Industrial Guide April 1, 1967

There is also operational detail in some of industry guides like this listing for Omaha:

Name	Nature of Industry	Location	Terminal Carrier's District	Station	FSAC #	Terminal Carrier	Remarks	Source
Offutt Air Force Base	Military base			Bellevue NE	80208	CB&Q	Also served by MP and UP.	MP Circular 140-P issued April 1, 1965
Offutt Air Force Base (Fuel depot)	Fuel			Bellevue NE	80208	CB&Q		MP Circular 140-P issued April 1, 1965
A.A.A. Beer Distributors	Beer distributor			Omaha NE	27400	CB&Q		MP Circular 140-P issued April 1, 1965
Aeromotor Co.	Windmills	801 Howard		Omaha NE	27400	CB&Q		MP Circular 140-P issued April 1, 1965
Air Conditioning Equipment Co.	Air conditioning	417 S. 10th		Omaha NE	27400	CB&Q	Also served by C&NW.	MP Circular 140-P issued April 1, 1965
Alemite Co., Inc.	Lubrication oils	1112 Douglas		Omaha NE	27400	CB&Q	Also served by C&NW.	MP Circular 140-P issued April 1, 1965
Allied Mills, Inc.	Feed & flour	2900 B St.		Omaha NE	27400	CB&Q	Also served by UP.	MP Circular 140-P issued April 1, 1965
American Upholstering Co.	Furniture	413 S. 12th		Omaha NE	27400	CB&Q	Also served by C&NW. Track is joint track and each line switches six months of the year.	MP Circular 140-P issued April 1, 1965

Information about customers can also be gathered from employee timetables. This is an example:

Name	Nature of Industry	Location	Terminal Carrier's District	Station	FSAC #	Terminal Carrier	Remarks	Source
International Harvestor Co.	Agricultural equipment			Canton IL	73063	CB&Q		Hannibal Division Employee Timetable No. 6 Effective April 25, 1965
Missouri Gravel Co.	Quarry			Ewing MO	75616	CB&Q	Spur at MP 17.23. Capacity 24 cars.	Hannibal Division Employee Timetable No. 6 Effective April 25, 1965
Horn Sand Co.	Sand			Fort Madison IA	26198	CB&Q	Spur at MP 197.65. Capacity 28 cars.	Hannibal Division Employee Timetable No. 6 Effective April 25, 1965
Gates Rubber Co.	Rubber automotive hoses			Galesburg IL	20124	CB&Q	Spur at MP 2.00 on Galesburg-Peoria line.	Hannibal Division Employee Timetable No. 6 Effective April 25, 1965
Old Soldiers Home	Government			Soldiers Home IL	25097	CB&Q	Spur at MP 260.34. Capacity 6 cars.	Hannibal Division Employee Timetable No. 6 Effective April 25, 1965
Riverside Coal Co.	Coal			Soldiers Home IL	25097	CB&Q	Spur at MP 260.04. Capacity 6 cars.	Hannibal Division Employee Timetable No. 6 Effective April 25, 1965
Union Electric Co. (Portage des Sioux plant)	Power plant			Union Electric Co. MO	26025	CB&Q		Hannibal Division Employee Timetable No. 6 Effective April 25, 1965
Wellsville Brick Plant	Brick			Wellsville MO	75747	CB&Q		Hannibal Division Employee Timetable No. 6 Effective April 25, 1965

I'm all for including as much information as possible such as addresses etc. can jog people's minds or make it easier to research more about the industry/business.

This has been over a 20 year project for some of us in conjunction with the Operations SIG. Making this information to many people as possible is the entire idea.

Look at <https://www.opsig.org/Resources/IndustryDB>. Click on the file InputOutput.txt. This is an attempt to generalize the types of products that inflow and outflow from various industrial customers.

Most of this is for a limited audience, so it is up to those of us who are interested to make it happen.

Bill Hirt

On 12/9/2022 7:06 PM, Mark P. via groups.io wrote:

This is great! 
But I'm afraid, for at least the state of Wyoming, it's woefully incomplete. 

A couple questions:

1. Is it strictly for the Burlington, and stops at the merger?
2. How do we submit entries for the database?

The Q had many industries it serviced in Wyoming, including Husky Oil in Cody and Empire Oil in Thermopolis, just to name two. There were many industries served in Casper, and Casper isn't even in the database!,_._,_

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