Re: [CBQ] Caboose Markers

["Leo Phillipp via groups.io" <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io>]

Yes. At the bottom of the marker was a cast circular ring that was spring loaded so it could be turned. Off the ring was a cast leg with a foot that slipped into an sleeve/opening in the bracket. This opening was wider at the top than the bottom, something of a ‘V’ shape that helped keep the marker onboard (though from time to time one would fall out while running along). Not all tracks were maintained to the standard required on #1 so that Harry Murphy’s evening cocktail didn’t spill a drop between Chicago Union Station and when he got off at Aurora to go home(surely everyone knows that true fact !). Somebody chime in and remind me what the cocktail was ?

Now let me clarify you’re understanding of when you turned a marker to show green to the rear. Per the operating rules the only time green was to be shown to the rear was when you’re train was clear of the main in the siding and to be passed by a following train. But only when in non signalled territory. In other words when in “dark” train order territory and only when being passed by a following train. You did not turn markers when meeting an opposing train. You might cause a heart attack on an opposing train if they came around a curve and saw a red marker !

Thanks for the news on Colorado regulation as I was not aware of that.

Leo Phillipp

On Mar 31, 2022, at 8:06 PM, sellarsmark_aus via groups.io <sellarsmark_aus=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



Greetings,

Thank you Nelson and Leo.

Did the bracket have a spiggot on/ or holder in which the Marker sat?

Presumably the Marker could be rotated to hide the red aspect and show only green when the train was in the clear.

Looks like I need a good close up photo of the bracket.

I know that sometime in the 1950s the state of Colorado passed legislation to imporve safety for railroad workers; one of the consequnces was electric power for all Markers used within the state.

This would have applied to wooden C&S way cars.

Mark

On Friday, 1 April 2022, 11:06:42 am ACDT, Leo Phillipp via groups.io <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:



Mark,

The rule stating a train was a train only when it bore at least one marker  was in existence well beyond the end of the Burlington System in 1970. Markers were mounted on waycars at the rear corners where the side and end walls met. The Burlington marker brackets were curved so as to wrap around the corners . There were brackets at all four corners so that markers could be mounted at the rear regardless of which end of the waycar was the rear end.

Many kerosene marker lamps were modified and/or built with electric bulbs after the NE10 class waycars that had been built at Aurora,IL in 1930  started becoming  equipped with batteries for interior lights, etc. in 1947. The NE12 series that were built in Havelock,NE starting in 1954 and later series were built with electric service so they could use either oil or electric markers. 

To my knowledge none of the wood waycars were ever equipped with electricity. 

In essence the electric markers were simply modified oil markers. 

All my experience was in Illinois  so I’ve never seen a Burlington marker that wasn’t manufactured by Adlake but I can’t speak as to what was used farther west.

Leo Phillipp

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