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Re: [CBQ] Passenger Es in freight service

Subject: Re: [CBQ] Passenger Es in freight service
From: "Leo Phillipp via" <>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 22:28:16 -0500
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Number 14 is listed in the ETTs as a daily express train. I do remember the old timers talking about how it had freight cars in the consist.

I checked Chicago and Aurora Div. ETTs. No. 14 first appears in number 49 dated 4/27/58 and is allowed 33 minutes between Cicero and C.U.S.  By ETT number 2 of 4/30/61 the train is allowed 45 minutes between Cicero and C.U.S.
The trains last listing is ETT #1 of 6/1/67 and it now has one hour between Cicero and CUS. I double checked and 14 is listed as operating into C.U.S. in each TT. There would be no reason to run light motive power into the station when they could be routed into 14th st at Union Ave tower. So I can’t explain why it’s shown going to C.U.S.

As to why the mail and express cars were left at Cicero I can only conjecture that it might have had something to do with #14 being yarded at Cicero and yardmen’s work agreements. While I don’t have Chicago Division work agreements in my files I suspect that once the train was yarded all subsequent work to that train was Cicero Switchman's work. 

Also the train crew would have been  a freight crew as opposed to a passenger crew. A freight crews terminal was Cicero so them going beyond Cicero would have involved arbitrary time slips as well as from switchmen. 

Leo Phillipp

On Oct 10, 2021, at 12:17 AM, Charlie Vlk <> wrote:


Why would the empty mail cars and express be left at Clyde rather than brought to 14th Street with the power? 

Charlie Vlk


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Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Passenger Es in freight service


There was one scheduled train that regularly moved freight and express behind E units.  Train #14 from Omaha to Clyde carried express, empty mail cars and Packing House Products (processed meat and other items) in reefers and TOFC. It was seldom seen because it normally arrived at Cicero about 3:30 or 4 am, dropped its consist and then the power ran light to 14th Street. Normally two E units were used, but if the PHP loads warranted, a Geep or two would help out.  Here is a Chuck Zeiler shot from the Railroad Archive Collection of a very late running #14 at Loomis Street in Naperville.  So it did happen under very controlled circumstances.  Jim Sandrin

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