Bill
Thanks for posting this sheet and thanks to Steve for creating it.
Looking at the November 1962 figures, I note that of the 23 cars (9 x 40’, 14 x 50’), only five were CB&Q and there doesn’t seem to be any indication of their length nor whether they are Mather lease cars. Also the CB&Q had other 50’ stock cars (50500-50599)
at that time. Was there a second sheet showing further details?
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
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Sent: Sunday, 10 January 2021 3:38 am
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Leased Mather stock cars
The attached is from Steve Holding's presentation on livestock (hog) traffic from Roseville, Illinois. Steve gave this presentation several annual meets ago and had a great handout analyzing the traffic in/out of a end of branch station.
The table shows the first 50' stock cars in November 1962. The Mather cars did not come into use at Roseville until September 1965.
Bill Hirt
On 1/9/2021 1:10 AM, Rupert Gamlen wrote:
Last week I posted a photo of CB&Q Mather lease stock car MSCX 822 which bore the Burlington Route herald towards the right hand end. Hol Wagner pointed
out that the reporting marks and numbers appeared to have been painted out, indicating that the photo was taken after the lease finished.
There were two groups of leased Mather cars – 50000-50139 were 40’ cars and 50200-50239 were 50’ cars. In the absence of any company specific documentation, I’ve been digging in the ORER’s to try and identify when these cars were leased.
40’ 50’
1960 February nil nil
1960 August 93 nil
1961 February 140 nil
1964 February 139 nil
1965 May 139 nil
1966 August 60 40
1967 May 60 40
1967 August nil nil
Based on the ORER’s, it appears that all but 40 of the 40’ cars were returned to NACC between May 1965 and August 1966 and, in the same period, the
50’ cars were leased. Then, between May and August 1967, all the leased cars were returned.
There is a photo of a 50’ car behind GP-7 #264 in BRHS Slide Set 4 – Stock Cars, dated April 1966, the earliest I have been able to find.
There is still a big gap between May 1965 and April 1966, and a smaller gap between February and August 1960. Does anyone have an ORER for either of those periods, or any data on the leases?
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
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