Re: [CBQ] Fw: Looking for Bi-Level Interior Details

["Leo Phillipp via groups.io" <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io>]

Here’s an interesting tid bit that I don’t think is commonly known outside the employee ranks. And only by even a limited number of those.

The cars that Charlie references as Condr. Compartments were called locker cars. There was an assigned locker car to each job(crew) on suburban service. Very similar to assigned waycars. So that locker car had to be in their train on their next run. So, for example a crew yarding their train at 14th st., would (Yes, contrary to common misconception, suburban men backed their trains, both direction between CUS and 14th st.Everything I have found in union files clearly show suburban crews backing both ways between 14th st and CUS from immediately after WWII to when all trains became push pull. Maybe earlier, yard pilots were the used for suburban equipment. In order to work passenger of any kind men had to be qualified on not only CUS rules but have passed a backup test at CUS.)  have their locker car on its outbound equipment.

Think about all the switching required at 14th st and Aurora to keep a locker car with its crew. Men did not handle the same equipment on all their runs each day. A Crew might work a nine car train into CUS and a two or three car train out to Aurora and back. Go to 14th st and come out wit another nine car train.

Additionally yard crews at each end had to switch power cars,baggage,REA and the occasional Zephyr equipment being shuttled to/from the Aurora shops.

The men could keep their equipment, uniforms,etc in the locker. The locker cars were on a local agreement that was given up in the 60s for something that I no longer remember what it was. 

While no longer assigned to them by the 70s some guys used them as their personal locker.

I will never forget the day when “peanuts” got on the radio at 14th st wanting to know what the yard had done with a particular car that he expected to be in his evening back up from the yard.He got an immediate reply from yardmaster “twiggy”. “Peanuts” marched over to that track and recovered the two “card tables” he had in that locker. His card playing outbound riders

Would have been upset and not tipped “peanuts” for having their tables in place. The card

Tables were the wooden backing sheets that the new, replacement windows were

Shipped between.

Leo Phillipp

On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@comcast.net> wrote:



Scott and Nancy

 

Glen has the information you need.  

For my part, I would be happy to get gallery cars (I think bi-levels is more of a C&NW term) in two basic types….the ones with the conductor compartments (short upper deck window on one end) and the “normal” car.  The early cab cars would be an additional bonus.

However, these cars need at least one of the power cars….or all three types.  

With CAD the variations would not be a huge additional project and the power cars could also be a big start on the modernized mainline cars and the standard upgraded coaches.

And, oh, by the way, we need them in N Scale.   There are cars available on Shapeways but so far they have not been offered in pre-HEP versions and without the added name panels…and appear to be a little crude as far as detail rendition.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of zephyr98072
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:49 AM
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Fw: Looking for Bi-Level Interior Details

 

Scott and Nancy:

 

Another comment.  Your narrative does not say if he will include variations in the kit to model all of the bi-levels.  A long time ago I made an inspection of all these cars at Aurora to record the differences in the cars, and determined that at least 10 different cars would need to be made to accurately model all of them.

 

Glen Haug

 

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From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Dave Lotz <Dave_Lotz@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:23 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Fw: Looking for Bi-Level Interior Details

 

Scott & Nancy,

 

For your eyes only!! 

 

I have it on good authority that your friend should not put a lot of effort into the bodies if he thinks he is going to sell a lot of these in the not too distant future.  The interior is another matter, as there are a lot of brass cars without them. I can provide scans of the original Budd drawings for the interiors, as I have for someone else, if he is willing to help me recoup the investment I made in the scans.

Dave

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott Stearns
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:01 PM
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Cc: nancy_stearns@hotmail.com; Albert Kamm <ajkamm3@gmail.com>; JIM SINGER <9904cbq@gmail.com>
Subject: [CBQ] Fw: Looking for Bi-Level Interior Details

 

Good evening ...

 

We are working with a member of our local Operations group who is a whiz at 3D printing.  He is working on a project for us and himself to create a 3D printed kit of the CB&Q bi-level gallery cars.  Along with printing the entire car, he plans to do the interiors as well.  He is about as detailed of a guy as you're going to meet.  The external portions of the coach are complete - now for the interior.

 

We're looking for photos and/or details of the interiors.  This would include the numbers, configuration and types of seats on both levels along with the width and number of steps going upstairs.  Any other details would be wonderful.

 

I've looked on the BRHS Flickr site, in BB1 and Olmstead's "of Zephyrs and Commuters" and haven't found much useful information.  There are numerous external shots, but nobody seems to want to show the interiors.  One of our Ops friends from Naperville is going to actually ride a dinky this weekend to try and get as much information and pictures as possible.  What would be really helpful would be any diagrams or blueprints that may have existed.  Does anyone in the group happen to know if anything like this and/or detailed photos exist?  

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Scott & Nancy Stearns

Zumbrota, MN

 

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