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Charlie:
The 0-4-0T built by the New Jersey Locomotive Works in 1866 for the original B&MR in Iowa as "Lt. Gen. Grant" became CB&Q 244 in 1875, was rebuilt by the Q in 1878 (probably as a more convention 0-4-0 with tender) and did not survive to the 1898 renumbering,
although it may have lasted quite some time, as there was never a second CB&Q 244 in the 19th Century. I'm attaching a view of the unusual little engine for those who may not have seen it before. New Jersey Locomotive & Machine Co., incidentally, became
the Grant Locomotive Works in 1867.
Hol
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] H&StJ Engine #35 "General Grant" - Later CB&Q #49 - Looking for Information
Archie-
Sorry for the VERY tardy reply or repeat if I already did….going through my emails and clearing up stuff I should have dealt with a long time ago…
I imagine that the image is off the internet or an eBay listing. Instead of watching dribble on TV at night I use my iPad to send links to myself which I download into files on my PC. I don’t recall what the original discussion was but from Rupert’s roster
if I read everything correctly it shows the B&MR “General Grant” being #248, later becoming CB&Q #1248, then #201. The #35 was rebuilt in Denver for the Century of Progress from H&StJ 66 CB&Q 666 which was built at Aurora in 1892.
I have a print from the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania of a 0-4-0 Tank engine B.&M.R.R.R. “LT. GEN. GRANT” which doesn’t show up on the B&MR or CB&Q rosters. Another puzzle to pursue!!
Charlie Vlk
From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Archie Hayden
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 8:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] H&StJ Engine #35 "General Grant" - Later CB&Q #49 - Looking for Information
Charlie, Where did you find that image of General Grant? It appears to be from an old stereo optican card. I don't believe it is the same loco that 35 evolved from.
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From: "Charlie Vlk"
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Sent: Thursday November 14 2019 2:42:04PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] H&StJ Engine #35 "General Grant" - Later CB&Q #49 - Looking for Information
All-
According to the rosters I have the Gen. Grant #35 was built by the H&StJ in 1865.
In 1878 #35 (no name) is listed as having 48” drivers so it may have been rebuilt or gone by then as the photo attached shows a normally proportioned 4-4-0. The Gen. Grant may not have made it to the CB&Q.
Charlie
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On Behalf Of Louis Zadnichek via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] H&StJ Engine #35 "General Grant" - Later CB&Q #49 - Looking for Information
Peter - CB&Q 35 now on display at the Pattee House Museum in St. Joseph, MO, is
NOT the same locomotive that you're talking about, H&StJ's General Grant.
According to Steam Locomotives Of The Burlington Route by Bernard Corbin and William Kerka (copies can usually be easily found on eBay), CB&Q 35 was originally built at the Aurora,
IL, Shops for the H&StJ in 1892 as their No. 66. It was a Class A-2 4-4-0 type and was renumbered H&StJ 666 in 1898, then became CB&Q 359 in 1904. It was rebuilt at the Denver, CO, Shops in June 1932 for exhibition at the Century Of Progress and lettered
B&MR 35 (for Burlington & Missouri River RR). Thereafter, 35 became one of the CB&Q's two official exhibition locomotives and was displayed throughout the system with the replica H&StJ mail car for many years up until its donation to the Pattee House Museum
in St. Joseph. I've attached an image of 35 and its mail car taken while on display at LaGrange, IL, during September 1954.
Perhaps, some one else on this List can tell us more about the H&StJ General Grant. Best Regards - Louis
In a message dated 11/14/2019 11:57:28 AM Central Standard Time,
kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io writes:
As Pete said it is at the Pattee house museum in St. Joseph.
I am looking for history on Hannibal & St. Joseph Railroad Engine 35, the “General Grant”, built in 1865, which I understand was the first U.S. Railway Post Office? It ran on the H&StJ, a subsidiary of CB&Q. The engine later was renumbered #635 in 1898 and
in 1904 became CB&Q Engine #49. The engine did a good-will tour in the late 1930s with the first mail car. What was it's final disposition? Did the engine survive? Is it kept anywhere that it can be seen?
Peter S. Weber
Great Grandson of CB&Q Engineer (#1307)
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