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----------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Vlk"To: CBQ@groups.io Cc: Sent: Wednesday July 22 2020 3:54:51PM Subject: Re: [CBQ] H&StJ Engine #35 "General Grant" - Later CB&Q #49 - Looking for Information Archie- Sorry for the VERY tardy reply or repeat if I already did….going through my emails and clearing up stuff I should have dealt with a long time ago… I imagine that the image is off the internet or an eBay listing. Instead of watching dribble on TV at night I use my iPad to send links to myself which I download into files on my PC. I don’t recall what the original discussion was but from Rupert’s roster if I read everything correctly it shows the B&MR “General Grant” being #248, later becoming CB&Q #1248, then #201. The #35 was rebuilt in Denver for the Century of Progress from H&StJ 66 CB&Q 666 which was built at Aurora in 1892. I have a print from the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania of a 0-4-0 Tank engine B.&M.R.R.R. “LT. GEN. GRANT” which doesn’t show up on the B&MR or CB&Q rosters. Another puzzle to pursue!! Charlie Vlk From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Archie Hayden Charlie, Where did you find that image of General Grant? It appears to be from an old stereo optican card. I don't believe it is the same loco that 35 evolved from. -------Thanks for the reply Charlie, For a long time the 1865 General Grant built in Hannibal by the H&StJo was taunted to be the first locomotive built west of the Mississippi. This was later contradicted by the Pacific RR in St Louis who claimed to have built some engines there as early as 1853. I have a news article with all the data! Thanks, Archie---------------------------------- From: "Charlie Vlk" All- According to the rosters I have the Gen. Grant #35 was built by the H&StJ in 1865. In 1878 #35 (no name) is listed as having 48” drivers so it may have been rebuilt or gone by then as the photo attached shows a normally proportioned 4-4-0. The Gen. Grant may not have made it to the CB&Q. Charlie From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Zadnichek via Groups.Io November 14, 2019 Peter - CB&Q 35 now on display at the Pattee House Museum in St. Joseph, MO, is NOT the same locomotive that you're talking about, H&StJ's General Grant. According to Steam Locomotives Of The Burlington Route by Bernard Corbin and William Kerka (copies can usually be easily found on eBay), CB&Q 35 was originally built at the Aurora, IL, Shops for the H&StJ in 1892 as their No. 66. It was a Class A-2 4-4-0 type and was renumbered H&StJ 666 in 1898, then became CB&Q 359 in 1904. It was rebuilt at the Denver, CO, Shops in June 1932 for exhibition at the Century Of Progress and lettered B&MR 35 (for Burlington & Missouri River RR). Thereafter, 35 became one of the CB&Q's two official exhibition locomotives and was displayed throughout the system with the replica H&StJ mail car for many years up until its donation to the Pattee House Museum in St. Joseph. I've attached an image of 35 and its mail car taken while on display at LaGrange, IL, during September 1954. Perhaps, some one else on this List can tell us more about the H&StJ General Grant. Best Regards - Louis Louis Zadnichek II Fairhope, AL In a message dated 11/14/2019 11:57:28 AM Central Standard Time, kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io writes:
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