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Re: [CBQ] Q Heavy-Duty depressed center flat car

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Q Heavy-Duty depressed center flat car
From: "William Hirt" <whirt@fastmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 18:22:37 -0500
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There are several articles in the railroad issued Burlington Bulletins (still available on CD from the BRHS) about per diem rates. It was a hot topic in the Bulletin during the Harry Murphy years.

The July-August 1961 Burlington Bulletin said the per diem rate then was $2.88 per day. It said the cost of a new rail freight car was $10,500. The Burlington bad-order rate for boxcars as of July 1 1961 was 2.4%, one of the lowest in the industry.

The Feb-Mar-Apr 1963 Burlington Bulletin states that the AAR had approved a new per diem plan with per diem rates being set on the condition and worth of the car. The article says some railroads at the time had a 25% bad-order rate. The Burlington had a 3.7% overall bad-order rate and 2.1% for boxcars.

In late 1964, car shortages were still being complained about due to inadequate rates on cars and drop in the fleet. In the 12 month period up to fall 1964 railroads added 17,000 new boxcars and 39,000 were scrapped.

Bill Hirt

On 8/3/2019 9:45 AM, Ted Schnepf wrote:
Hello everyone,

I am going to question John's statement about per diem.  Someone more knowledgeable should comment and correct

During the '60's and '70's, when working for the railroad, I always understood per diem rates were very low and not worth the cost of the equipment.  East coast RR's were notorious for hording western roads equipment, because per diem was cheaper than building cars for themselves.  Possibly special duty flat cars had more worthwhile per diem rates?

I would assume the Q had the special duty flats so they could participate in the pool and in long hauls the pool created of over size loads.  The loads were probably on a foreign  flat car, but were good profitable  revenue moves.

Hoping someone with knowledge of per diem and rates will comment.


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