Re: [CBQ] CB&Q Grain Elevators, Grain Covered Hoppers, and Traffic

["Ted Schnepf" <railsunl@sbcglobal.net>]

Hello Tom and List,

Thanks Doug, for mentioning the shippers guides I  offer for sale.

The shippers guides list all the industries in a town.  As an example the UP guide for Lincoln, Nebraska with also list the elevators on the CBQ and on the RI lines in Lincoln.  So the UP guide will list Q elevators at any point the two RR's cross, such as Fremont, Superior, Grand Island. Hastings and many others.  In Illinois the Milw list wold cover the joint towns of Rochelle, Rockford, Savanna, and many other common points.

In similar ways the Milw, CNW, RI, MP and other guides would also list industries at common points.

I have never seen a shippers guide for the CBQ.  Has anyone else seen, or have a copy?

Ted

railsunl@sbcglobal.net

On Friday, April 12, 2019, 10:49:10 PM CDT, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org> wrote:

Tom I suspect that every town on the CBQ had one or more grain elevators. Instead of compiling a list your best bet would be find a Shippers Directory for the CBQ. A shippers directory would have the list you seek. Here is one source of reprints: http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Books/shippers.html Unfortunately Ted does not offer one for the CBQ. You might find one at a swap meet or eBay.

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: CBQ@groups.io [mailto:CBQ@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Mack via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 8:26 AM
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Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q Grain Elevators, Grain Covered Hoppers, and Traffic

 

There is a slide for sale on eBay right now of a Q freight train in 1968 at Sandwich, IL that really caught my attention:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-QUINCY-RR-GP7-262-SANDWICH-IL-1968/113707418438 

1. With two GP7's on it, I take it this is probably a wayfreight and not a manifest freight. Correct?

2. This is one of the only photos I can recall seeing of a CB&Q freight that has a string of high capacity covered hoppers in it. These appear to be PS-2CD 4427 cu ft "high side" covered hoppers, like the Proto 2000 HO models. The letter boards on the side look like they are probably TLDX Leasing signs, commonly applied to these yellow covered hoppers. Most of these were for grain service, so this is a neat photo to find. Does anyone else recall published photos of a CB&Q freight with a string of covered hoppers like this? A four car set could easily come from or being going to a small grain elevator, if this is indeed a local wayfreight, as the two GP7's would suggest.

3. Since grain was such a major part of CB&Q shipping, I was thinking it might be neat to put together a list of grain elevators on the Q. This would be not only interesting for the historical aspect, but as a modeler, it would be neat to possibly see the evolution from the boxcar grain loading to the high capacity covered hoppers. Anyone interested in working with me on this?

4. An operations question: How easy was it for the older grain elevators to transition to covered hoppers, if even possible? When I think about the loading of a boxcar with grain doors, either wooden or paper ones nailed into the car, or later cars with the little grain doors built into the plug doors, it is clear that the loading chute at the elevator would go into the car from the side, with the chute having to be lower than the roof of the car. When you move to the covered hoppers, the later high capacity CHs have trough hatches at the top of the car. This would require the loading chute to be located in a totally different location than for a boxcar. Did the older grain elevators make changes, or did many of them just stick to ordering boxcars, perhaps until they added newer and/or larger silos? Anyone have any experience or knowledge on this?

Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH



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Cincinnati, OH

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