Re: [CBQ] Old Eli

["jpslhedgpeth via Groups.Io" <jpslhedgpeth=aol.com@groups.io>]

Rupert.  I recall when all that discussion was going on a few years ago..In that discussion it was noted...and I had heard from other sources that the name was originally attached to a famed Racehorse from somewhere around St. Joe, MO...The saying was something like.."There goes OLD ELI"..and somehow that nick name found its way to the original  "American Royal"..the Q's overnight train between St. Joe and Chicago...Prior to the construction of the new Kansas City Cutoff   KC was not really a competive destination from Chicago for theQ.  The main train was the St. Joe  Chicago train.   

Kansas city, prior to the KC Cut off was kind of a "side issue"...I rode with my grandfather more than once from St. Joe to Chicago on the old American Royal  (not a zephyr at that time...I recall sitting on a bench in front of the depot at Cameron (Jct) awaiting the arrival of the Kansas City connection...in the form of a motorcar...to arrive.  

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Rupert Gamlen <gamlenz@hotmail.com>
To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2018 9:47 pm
Subject: [CBQ] Old Eli

Back in January 2015, there was a short discussion about Old Eli, the CB&Q’s owl. He was used in various advertisements, there was the Eli Limited between Chicago and Kansas City, an Old Eli dining car on the Kansas City Flyer (renamed from the Eli Limited?) and there was the Fast Owl Express between Chicago and St Louis. The 1901 advert for the Eli Express for stated it had been running for 16 years so presumably it started about 1885. Does anyone have an earlier reference to Eli or a date when the Kansas City Flyer received that name?

In a biography of Charles Elliott Perkins (who was President of the CB&Q 1876-1901), it stated that the family home when he was growing up was named “The Owl’s Nest”. Coincidence?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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