Re: [CBQ] The St. Paul Accord ?

["Fred Crissey" <fhc925@frontier.com>]

Leo:  This subject is "a can of worms".  First of all it was/is illegal to change the routing instructions on a Bill Of Lading.  A Bill of Lading was/is a contract between the one paying the freight and the carrier(railroad).  In the time period you have specified you have pretty well described the reason for the increases.  When I was in the Sales Department in Detroit one of the things that pushed one of my "hot" buttons was the relationships the "Northerns" had with the CNW, RI, MNS, etc.  We (CB&Q) had a "routing guide" that said traffic going to the Northerns from Chicago had to be taken to St. Paul.  We were forbidden to route to route traffic to/from the Northerns via Laurel MT as an example unless the Q received the traffic at KCity.  I have a lot of stories about this subject.  I do know that after Mr. Menk arrived on the property he was not shy in telling "Mom and Dad" in St. Paul that they should be feeding more business to the Q at St. Paul as half the profits were going into their pockets.   Another factor at this time were freight car shortages.  As example the ICC and the AAR stepped in and ordered empty common cars with GN and NP marks were to return to them via CB&Q at Chicago.  After 1970 the GN/NP empties were "home" when they were interchanged at Chicago.

Fred Crissey

On Friday, March 16, 2018 8:53 AM, Leo Phillipp via Groups.Io <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Wondering if anyone can confirm that prior to the BN merger there was a division of traffic agreement on eastbound business coming into the Twin Cities from GN/NP ?

Supposedly all roads operating between Twin Cities and Chicago shared in the business and once the BN was created the business went all BN.

I'm asking because I'm working on a future project and would like to work it into the piece if it can be confirmed. Any written source you can point me to would be appreciated.

Where did I hear about it ? In locomotive cabs and waycars traveling over the C&I in the 70s whenever the subject of "where did all this business come from" would come up.

The one explanation I recall most clearly came from an engineer who had been a management employment and had returned to the ranks. I also vaguely recall reading about it somewhere.

As background the C &I pool(Cicero-Savanna,IL) went from 8 crews in 1968/69 to over 18 crews by the mid 70s and to over 24 crews by late 70s. Yes, some of it was new economic growth and coal.

Leo Phillipp

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