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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 13:00:40 -0400
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July 7, 2017
 
Group - You know, taking a second look, my image and Hol's are the same. Just cropped slightly different. That's what threw me off.... Hol's image is also sightly higher resolution. Sorry about that - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
 
In a message dated 7/7/2017 11:47:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
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July 7, 2017
 
Glen, Hol and Rupert - Here's another inserted/attached image showing bridge construction at Princeton, IL. It's dated July 18, 1899. Is the location Big Bureau Creek? If the same location as Hol's earlier image showing start of construction for the original gauntlet span in 1886, then this makes for an interesting "before and after" comparison:
 
 
Train No. 22 appears to have been flagged to a brief halt before edging out onto the new bridge at a crawl. If you look very closely, you can see the flag man at the left edge of the right-of-way facing the locomotive. In charge of the train is a brand new unidentified Class P-1 Compound 4-4-2 type constructed by Baldwin in 1899. Interesting to know that these steel bridge spans lasted slightly over a hundred years before being replaced by the BNSF with concrete spans. Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL  
 
In a message dated 7/7/2017 2:39:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


The caption below this photo indicates that the bridge is over Walnut Creek in the vicinity of Princeton.  I don't believe this is correct as Walnut Creek is down by Altona.  I believe this photo is at Big Bureau Creek, present day Bridge 106.58, just west of Princeton.  It appears to me that we are looking west down the long tangent toward Wyanet.  The bridge in this photo (and Bridge 110.26 over West Bureau Creek) was constructed in 1886 when the 2nd (south) track was constructed between Princeton and Wyanet, but the bridges were only constructed wide enough for gauntlet tracks, which were protected by semaphore signals from 1886 to 1899.  The construction going on in the photo is of the 1899 construction to replace the deck truss and DPG approaches with true double track bridges.  The 119' Deck Trusses were just recently replaced with long concrete spans, I believe.


Glen Haug




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Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 9:12 AM
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Lois and Rupert:


I've already covered the 1382 (though I didn't receive my copy of that message until just minutes ago), and here's my response to Louis's second point:  The derrick in the photo does indeed appear to be a bridge derrick, and here's what it was doing at Princeton in 1899:



CB&Q Walnut Creek Bridge Replacement, Princeton, Ill., 7-18-1899, Knox College Special Collections & Archives


Hol

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July 7, 2017
 
Rupert - This is a very interesting image on two counts. First, 1382 is not a Class G-1 0-6-0. It is a Class E-1 0-4-0, even though there was a Class G-1 No. 1382.  Some time ago, we had a thread on Class E-1 0-4-0's in which, if memory serves me right, Hol noted that not all E-1's were ID'd in the Corbin Book roster. Within the Corbin Book roster, there is a 1381 constructed at the Aurora Shops in 1880, but no 1382 is shown. The 1381 is almost certainly a roundhouse mate of 1382. I would speculate that when 1382 was retired, then that number was transferred to the Class G-1 0-6-0, or if 1382 was still in service it was given another number. A little confusing, yes!
 
Second, the derrick with the tall peaked roof is almost certainly a bridge crane used to lift and set steel bridge spans. From the boom support shown, it could've also been rigged as a pile driver or steam shovel (talk about a multi-purpose design). But, it was not a wrecking derrick for use in cleaning-up derailments. The tall peaked roof would indicate this was an "old" machine, even for its time. This image would have to date to the line relocation in and around Princeton, IL, in the late 1890s or early 1900s. Lastly, the auxiliary tender for water was probably being shared by both the derrick and 0-4-0. Thanks for sharing - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL   
 
In a message dated 7/5/2017 11:15:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
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An interesting photo on eBay at

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7E770-RP-1899-1940s-CB-Q-BURLINGTON-RAILROAD-ENGINE-1382-PRINCETON-IL-/401359792208?hash=item5d72e86850:g:QYAAAOSw3YJZXB7I

showing engine #1382 (G-1) at Princeton with what appears to be a steam powered derrick on the rear complete with its own tender. The photo dates from between 1904 (when the 1300 number series was commenced) and the engine’s retirement in 1911. 1382 was originally an H-5 2-6-0 #1280 (ex I&StL #5, built in 1871 by Hinkley) but I don’t know when it was converted to an 0-6-0.

I’ve found a photo dated 1899 of the same or similar derrick, apparently grading the embankment. Would anyone have a better photo of the derrick?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

 

 



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