July 7, 2017
Group - You know, taking a second look, my image and Hol's are the same.
Just cropped slightly different. That's what threw me off.... Hol's image is
also sightly higher resolution. Sorry about that - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 7/7/2017 11:47:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
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July 7, 2017
Glen, Hol and Rupert - Here's another inserted/attached image
showing bridge construction at Princeton, IL. It's dated July 18, 1899. Is the
location Big Bureau Creek? If the same location as Hol's earlier image
showing start of construction for the original gauntlet span in 1886, then
this makes for an interesting "before and after" comparison:
Train No. 22 appears to have been flagged to a brief halt before edging
out onto the new bridge at a crawl. If you look very closely, you can see the
flag man at the left edge of the right-of-way facing the locomotive. In charge
of the train is a brand new unidentified Class P-1 Compound 4-4-2 type
constructed by Baldwin in 1899. Interesting to know that these steel bridge
spans lasted slightly over a hundred years before being replaced by the
BNSF with concrete spans. Best Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 7/7/2017 2:39:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
The caption below this photo indicates that the bridge is over Walnut
Creek in the vicinity of Princeton. I don't believe this is correct as
Walnut Creek is down by Altona. I believe this photo is at Big Bureau
Creek, present day Bridge 106.58, just west of Princeton. It appears
to me that we are looking west down the long tangent toward Wyanet.
The bridge in this photo (and Bridge 110.26 over West Bureau
Creek) was constructed in 1886 when the 2nd (south) track was constructed
between Princeton and Wyanet, but the bridges were only constructed wide
enough for gauntlet tracks, which were protected by semaphore signals from
1886 to 1899. The construction going on in the photo is of the 1899
construction to replace the deck truss and DPG approaches with true double
track bridges. The 119' Deck Trusses were just recently replaced with
long concrete spans, I believe.
Glen Haug
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<CBQ@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com
[CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017
9:12 AM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Steam
derrick
Lois and Rupert:
I've already covered the 1382 (though I didn't receive my copy of that
message until just minutes ago), and here's my response to Louis's second
point: The derrick in the photo does indeed appear to be a bridge
derrick, and here's what it was doing at Princeton in 1899:
CB&Q Walnut Creek Bridge
Replacement, Princeton, Ill., 7-18-1899, Knox College Special Collections
& Archives
Hol
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<CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 9:46
AM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Steam
derrick
July 7, 2017
Rupert - This is a very interesting image on two counts. First, 1382 is
not a Class G-1 0-6-0. It is a Class E-1 0-4-0, even though there was a
Class G-1 No. 1382. Some time ago, we had a thread on Class E-1
0-4-0's in which, if memory serves me right, Hol noted that not all E-1's
were ID'd in the Corbin Book roster. Within the Corbin Book roster, there is
a 1381 constructed at the Aurora Shops in 1880, but no 1382 is shown.
The 1381 is almost certainly a roundhouse mate of 1382. I would speculate
that when 1382 was retired, then that number was transferred to the
Class G-1 0-6-0, or if 1382 was still in service it was given another
number. A little confusing, yes!
Second, the derrick with the tall peaked roof is almost certainly
a bridge crane used to lift and set steel bridge spans. From the boom
support shown, it could've also been rigged as a pile driver or steam shovel
(talk about a multi-purpose design). But, it was not a wrecking
derrick for use in cleaning-up derailments. The tall peaked roof would
indicate this was an "old" machine, even for its time. This image would
have to date to the line relocation in and around Princeton, IL, in
the late 1890s or early 1900s. Lastly, the auxiliary tender for water
was probably being shared by both the derrick and 0-4-0. Thanks for sharing
- Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 7/5/2017 11:15:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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