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Re: [CBQ] Fw: [OMR] Colorado Peaches

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From: "Bill Hirt whirt@fastmail.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:04:38 -0500
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Hol,

Thanks for the explanation. Do you know if they were consolidated into the train with the run through traffic from UP (via Grand Island) at Lincoln to move to Chicago in the 1960s?

Bill Hirt



On 5/27/2017 9:25 AM, Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ] wrote:

Bill:


Palisade peaches coming into Denver over the D&RGW and destined for points farther east on the Burlington (Omaha among them) were turned over to the Burlington, not the UP unless specifically requested by the shipper.  Peaches destined for Kansas City or St. Louis would have been delivered by the D&RGW to Pueblo and turned over to the MP for transport on east.  And of course, both the D&RGW and MP were ART members and used ART reefers exclusively.  I never saw BREX reefers used for Palisade peach loading, but my time frame for this statement is 1950 and later.


Hol




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Rick,

I will be curious about the answers. I have seen several places a color photo of a large number of ART reefers staged in Grand Junction and this helps explain why.

A 1965 MP Freight Traffic Circular showing a "List of Firms and Industries having Trackage Facilities at Competitive Points" shows all of the Fruit and Vegetable receivers in Omaha-Council Bluffs being served by the UP. This makes sense as the bulk of fresh produce and fruit into Omaha would be coming from California points that were served by PFE. So it would suggest that most traveled UP Denver to Omaha.

It can stated with some certainty that the Q handled some of this traffic in Kansas City proper. The Q shared with the ATSF and RI switching duties at the KC Produce Yard located along the Missouri River in the current City Market area. The Q switcher for this duty for a long time was a motor car while the ATSF and RI used 44 tonners. The UP started their own produce yard in Kansas City KS in the late 1930s (this is discussed in Richard Overton's book), but various court proceedings by the other KC railroads kept it from being major produce yard in KC.

Watching the video, it is hard to tell what kind of reefers were in the train. At the time of the video, all of the big reefer suppliers still had a large number of wood sheathed cars (ART PFE and SFRD had more steel cars as they started building them in the mid 1930s - the FGE affiliated roads (BREX, WFEX, etc) and MDT still were still almost 100% wood sheathed).

Bill Hirt


On 5/26/2017 4:16 PM, Rick rkeil6721@hotmail.com [CBQ] wrote:

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You might find this interesting as it states some of the peaches ended up in the Denver to Omaha routing for points east.  


Couple of questions, would the Q handle ART reefers on a regular basis?  Would Burlington reefers be used on a regular basis for the western slope peaches?


Thanks


Ricky Keil

Papillion, NE









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