Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 6792

["'John D. Mitchell, Jr.' cbqrr47@yahoo.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

Not being familiar with the location, I was just speculating, so you are probably right. And by the way, the "Mexican bunk houses" (former strike bunk houses) at Centralia were used for Mexican extra gangs during WWII.

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From: "Qutlx1 qutlx1@aol.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 6792

 

Thanks Glen great job ! If you enlarge the photo in the fuzzy background you can make our the erection bay buildings for Austin Western and the water tower. It all fits in place, the switch is for the "Austin lead".

All those " old heads " that pointed to the east end of the west yard were pointing at another box car setup. Apparently much smaller. The site you've identified is a 5 minute walk to the scrap dock. I wondered about the other reported site as it was at least a mile away. I'm thinking the Eola site was for the section crew.

For the guys who are thinking this village was set up as part of the '22 shop strike, I'm not saying your wrong, but everything I've read about strike and housing replacements they were ensconced in the property where they worked in order to protect them. The village we're talking about was accessible from two public roads. So I doubt the Q put up "scabs" 3 miles from the shops.

Leo

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On Aug 24, 2016, at 5:59 PM, GLEN glenehaug@msn.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Leo:

About your concern below for the photo location.  When I looked at the photo, I had the same concern, so I looked at the entire Eola map to see if I could find the track.

I found it!  The photo is of a spur off of the yard lead of the East Yard at the WEST end.  Photo is looking west toward McClure.  I wish I had looked this far west to begin with, because the linen shows the entire Mexican Village, unfortunately ALL erased, but I can see enough detail to re-draw it if I can't get it to show up in a scan.

It's going to be a couple of days before I can get to it.  Will keep you posted.

Glen Haug

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 6792

 

 

Dave,Hol and Randy according to the il.gov site from Randy the camp was started in 1921 when immigration from Europe became difficult. I will research the local paper during the '22 strike period to see if it reveals anything. 

By the way the various photos being sent are the same I received this morning. But the article is going to contain those details that can't be shown. 

I am a little trouble by the photo of the "village" cars in a row next to the track as that is different from my understanding of the layout. Also the reference to W. Eola would be out the camp much closer to Aurora than to the the little village of Eola. 

Hopefully When Glen scans the map the location will be settled.

Leo

On Aug 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

And of course there was the large boxcar bunk house camp for "scabs" at West Burlington during the 1922 shop workers strike

Hol

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 6792

 

 

I'd be almost willing to bet that the camp had its origins in the 1922 strike and was then used later by the Mexican workers. I don't know that but I do suspect it. There was a "Mexican" camp, at Centralia that used boxcar bunk houses left from the '22 strike.

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From: "Randy Gordon-Gilmore mailto:randy.gordon.gilmore@gmail.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
To: mailto:cbq@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 6792

 

Re: Eola Boxcar Village-need help

Leo, you probably have seen these already but there are a couple of PDF's that mention the Eola Boxcar Camp (as the first PDF calls it):

commons.lib.niu.edu/bitstream/handle/10843/13714/Gonzalez,%20Sandra.pdf

www.cmap.illinois.gov/documents/10180/511527/AuroraHistoricalTimeline.pdf

The timeline says that he camp was closed by 1934, which unfortunately predates any of the USDA aerial photos by a few years.

Randy

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:03 AM, <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: FM-14 and LP-3 Question
    From:  hammersr48

2. TM-7 tankcar
    From: Ben de Vries

3a. Eola Boxcar Village-need help
    From:  leophillipp
3b. Re: Eola Boxcar Village-need help
    From: GLEN
3c. Re: Eola Boxcar Village-need help
    From:  leophillipp


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1a. Re: FM-14 and LP-3 Question
    Posted by:  mailto:HAMMERSR@aol.com hammersr48
    Date: Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:53 am ((PDT))

Rick -



 Essentially yes.  Although the LP-3 class was rated a 70-ton car (5' 8" wheelbase trucks) and the FM-14 class rated a 50-ton car (5' 6" wheelbase trucks), their overall dimensions were essentially the same.  The LP-3 deck was 3' 8" above the railhead and the FM-14 deck was 3' 10 7/8 " above the railhead.  All other dimensions were identical.





 Jerry Hamsmith





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2. TM-7 tankcar
    Posted by: "Ben de Vries" mailto:bernjuldevries@gmail.com bernjul37
    Date: Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:23 pm ((PDT))

Can anyone on this list help me with photos of the brake end of the TM-7 tankcar? The brakestand seems to be
totally different from the brakestand in the old Athearn bluebox kit, which I am building at present. The otherwise
excellent photos by Chuck Zeiler on Flickr unfortunately don’t show enough detail. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!
Thanx in advance
Ben de Vries




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3a. Eola Boxcar Village-need help
    Posted by:  mailto:qutlx1@aol.com leophillipp
    Date: Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:49 pm ((PDT))

I happened to meet a descendant of one of the original residents of the Eola boxcar village this weekend. We had an awesome conversation about old Aurora and the Q.
I am meeting him again tomorrow and will then have several photos of the village and residents and much more info. As I've told him I'm going to pick his brain.

The boxcar village was at the east end of the west yard at Eola. My understanding is it
Started when the Q had trouble finding workers for the new reclamation plant in 1923.

Here's where I need help. I've looked at 1958 and '64 track alignment charts and neither
Shows the village. I've also check all the logical photo  books? I know I've seen a map of Eola showing the village.

Can anyone help with that ? Or any additional photos ?

This is for a future article for the BRHS.

Thanks,

Leo








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3b. Re: Eola Boxcar Village-need help
    Posted by: "GLEN" mailto:glenehaug@msn.com zephyr98072
    Date: Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:15 pm ((PDT))

Leo:


This probably is not what you are looking for.  I have both a linen and a print of the Eola station map.  On the print, an old carbody is shown along side of the lead of the West Yard at the east end.  There is a caption next to it entitled 'Mexican Carbodies', but there is only one carbody shown on the print.  The linen faintly shows that there must have been 4 carbodies lined up in a row.  The carbodies were located parallel to and north of the yard lead, west of the old Schramm spur that went into the Eola town site.


Glen Haug


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Subject: [CBQ] Eola Boxcar Village-need help



I happened to meet a descendant of one of the original residents of the Eola boxcar village this weekend. We had an awesome conversation about old Aurora and the Q.
I am meeting him again tomorrow and will then have several photos of the village and residents and much more info. As I've told him I'm going to pick his brain.

The boxcar village was at the east end of the west yard at Eola. My understanding is it
Started when the Q had trouble finding workers for the new reclamation plant in 1923.

Here's where I need help. I've looked at 1958 and '64 track alignment charts and neither
Shows the village. I've also check all the logical photo books? I know I've seen a map of Eola showing the village.

Can anyone help with that ? Or any additional photos ?

This is for a future article for the BRHS.

Thanks,

Leo







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3c. Re: Eola Boxcar Village-need help
    Posted by:  mailto:qutlx1@aol.com leophillipp
    Date: Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:25 pm ((PDT))

Glen,

I'll be glad to to have it. From what I'm learning this was once a very large complex.
You're docs may be showing the last vestiges . Between those and the photos,etc I'm going to have a great start for the article.

I have been shocked by the verbal descriptions of how large and detailed this village was at acts its peak. I don't want to say more and would prefer to save the details for the
Article.

Thanks,

Leo

> On Aug 23, 2016, at 11:15 PM, GLEN mailto:glenehaug@msn.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Leo:
>
>
> This probably is not what you are looking for.  I have both a linen and a print of the Eola station map.  On the print, an old carbody is shown along side of the lead of the West Yard at the east end.  There is a caption next to it entitled 'Mexican Carbodies', but there is only one carbody shown on the print.  The linen faintly shows that there must have been 4 carbodies lined up in a row.  The carbodies were located parallel to and north of the yard lead, west of the old Schramm spur that went into the Eola town site.
>
>
> Glen Haug
>
>
>
> From: mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of qutlx1@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 6:43 PM
> To: mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com; mailto:BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CBQ] Eola Boxcar Village-need help
>
>
> I happened to meet a descendant of one of the original residents of the Eola boxcar village this weekend. We had an awesome conversation about old Aurora and the Q.
> I am meeting him again tomorrow and will then have several photos of the village and residents and much more info. As I've told him I'm going to pick his brain.
>
> The boxcar village was at the east end of the west yard at Eola. My understanding is it
> Started when the Q had trouble finding workers for the new reclamation plant in 1923.
>
> Here's where I need help. I've looked at 1958 and '64 track alignment charts and neither
> Shows the village. I've also check all the logical photo books? I know I've seen a map of Eola showing the village.
>
> Can anyone help with that ? Or any additional photos ?
>
> This is for a future article for the BRHS.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Leo
>
>




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