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Hol - As for the "pre-Cuckoo Clock," as I'm going to call it, I'm attaching
an image from the collection of my father M.L. Zadnichek. It shows Class P-2
4-4-2 type No. 2527 posed alongside the trestle leading up to the timber coal
dock at North LaCrosse, WI, in 1905. The image gives a rare top view of the
4-4-2 including the headlight. Enlarge the image and you can clearly see how the
headlight's top was fashioned. Even though there's a vent for an oil-burning
font on top the headlight, it's been electrified as there's a turbo
generation just in front of the cab with its exhaust pipe angled out over the
cab roof. I think this image will be useful for anyone modeling such a
headlight. No. 2527 was constructed by Rogers in 1903 meaning that this style
headlight might not have been used just by Baldwin and was in fact mass produced
by some headlight manufacturer for different locomotive builders of the era. No.
2527 was scrapped in February 1933, most likely at Eola. I'll keep an eye out
for images of other non-Q/C&S locomotives with the same style of headlight.
If I come across any, that would indicate the headlight was indeed mass
produced and adopted by the Q until their own unique Cuckoo
Clock was developed. Some interesting history here. Thanks for sharing your
diagrams and images. Best Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 11/2/2015 8:47:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,
CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
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Louis:
Good point. I know the Q manufactured the early ones themselves, as I
have seen correspondence relating to it -- though no mention of where the work
was done. Possibly after the Q settled on the design they contracted
with a headlight manufacturer to produce them for the railroad, and that is
why nothing has been found relating to where the Q made them. It would
be nice to see a detailed specification for one of the locomotives delivered
with the cuckoo clock light, as that would definitively state its
source. I have an S-2 specification somewhere, but I believe they came
with an earlier headlight. I'll try to find it, though.
On a related note, the C&S adopted a quite similar design for its
standard in 1906 (see attached drawing), before it was owned by the Q, and
produced these oil lamps in company shops in Denver using commercially
manufactured burners. They were never widely used, however, and
apparently were abandoned when electric lights were mandated in Colorado in
1912. Also attached is a drawing for the locomotive number in red on the
headlight glass and a shot of a locomotive with the headlight. Aside
from being flat on top, this design is remarkably similar to the Q cuckoo
clock.
Hol
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Hol and Group - I've been side
tracked the past several days and only now this Sunday evening I'm
beginning to catch-up with Emails in chronological order. Hol, you state
"Q-manufactured" for the headlight on No. 3103. Question, please note the
attached Baldwin Locomotive magazine ad titled Burlington Pacifics dating from
October 1918. Enlarging the image of Q 4-6-2 No. 2969. its headlight
appears to be the same type as on No. 3103. Could this style of headlight
instead have been a Baldwin Locomotive Works supplied headlight and not
manufactured by the Q at Aurora or elsewhere? I would have to assume that the
image shown is an official Baldwin builder's photograph taken in Philadephia,
PA. Seems unlikely that the Q would've been manufacturing this style of
headlight and then shipping them to Baldwin for installing on new locomotives.
What do you think? Comments appreciated. Best Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 10/27/2015 7:31:38 A.M.
Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
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Jonathan:
The other Q-manufactured headlight is shown
in the attached view of D-4-A 3103 at Galesburg in 1925. This one was
a bit more complicated to produce, as the large diameter arc of the top had
to be a separate piece, sealed where it met the sides. The arc of the
top can be clearly seen on the tender backup light in this view. This
lamp had no side number boards, instead employing a V-shaped pair of number
boards located above the front glass. Early versions of this headlight
burned kerosene and had a capped conical vent centered on top. This
headlight was nearly as widely used as the cuckoo clock for about 20 years,
then dropped from use rather suddenly.
Hol
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[CBQ] Cuckoo clock
Thank you, as always, Hol!
What was the
also-ran, the headlight design which coexisted with but eventually lost out
to the cuckoo clock?
Jonathan
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