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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Missing Track at Savanna Yard
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:14:40 -0400
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July 24, 2015
 
Tom - I agree with Bill. Definitely NOT 4960 and 1965.  The Milwaukee dieselized their Savanna-Ottumwa-Kansas City route in the early to mid-1950s. The Q's Savanna-LaCrosse-St. Paul route was dieselized (except for occasional later fan trips) by 1956. I believe this image is at least 15 years older than 1965. I can't quite identify the Q steam locomotive near the round house. Could be an O-1-A Mikado or a S Class Pacific. Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
 
In a message dated 7/24/2015 1:33:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


Tom,

I can't help you with your question, but I am pretty certain that the photo is not 1965 and the steam locomotive at the Q shop may not be 4960. If you look at the adjacent Milwaukee Road yard to the upper left of the photo, there are at least two and possibly three Milwaukee Road steam locomotives operating there. One is on a cut of cars just to the left of the Q water tower, another is at the shop or office building to the far left and a third is possibly at the far east end of the yard based on the column of smoke. I don't believe the Milwaukee Road had any active steam locomotives during the 1965 flood. My guess is that the photo dates to at least 10 or 15 years earlier. One piece of info that i can provide. I visited the Savanna engine facilities twice in 1957 on Q fan trips, once in September with hudson #3003 and later in October with O-5 #5631. The coal dock was still there although it was a small structure. Attached is a photo of it taken on 09/01/1957. I don't think that the coaling facility had much in the way of capacity. The hoppers that you referred to may have been used to feed the coal tower.

Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO


On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:03 PM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:05 am (PDT) . Posted by:

thommack

I have uploaded a track chart of the Savanna yard engine facility and roundhouse area. It was taken from a much larger chart of the entire yard that shows all the tracks, water mains, fire hydrants, electric lines, etc. So it is pretty detailed. I can't find the date on the track chart but due to the fact that the chart only shows the sand tower and not the ash pit, coaling facility, etc., I can only assume it is from the late 1960's. In particular note Track 77 on the left side of the map that runs above the sand house. It is shown as 564' feet long. Track 76 I the lead track that runs all the way to the turntable. A second turntable lead, Track 75, splits off of Track 76. Track 78 also splits off of Track 76 and runs by the roundhouse, between Tracks 43 and 44. 


Now here is where things get interesting. At https://www.flickr.com/photos/45436499@N02/7098031087https://www.flickr.com/photos/45436499@N02/7098031087 is a great aerial view of Savanna Yard during the flood of 1965. You can clearly see the sand tower. It looks like the coaling hoist or cinder hoist for the ash pit (sorry, ‘m not a steam guy so sometimes the terms escape me) is still there behind the sanding tower. And… there is also an extra track between the sand tower and the sand house! This track is not shown on the track chart. So the question is, what track is this and when was it removed? Did it possibly come out when the coal or ash hoist was removed? Does anyone know when the steam servicing equipment and possibly this extra track was removed from Savanna Yard? 


I am finishing up my Savanna Yard roundhouse area and these are the last tracks I need to put in. As I am modeling from 1966 to the end I am now going to put in the steam locomotive equipment, just the sand tower. So now the question is do I put in this second track or not? 

On a related topic, does anyone know what the three hoppers and two boxcars are doing on Track 77 behind the sand house? Some photos I have show MOW equipment there, such as an orange outside braced boxcar. Was this for the incoming sand? Are those possibly ballast cars? There are also two hoppers sitting down at the end of the track by the steam servicing equipment. Perhaps coal cars? Or for removing cinders? 


Tom Mack 
Cincinnati, OH 




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