Louis,
Thanks for sharing the photo of CB&Q waycar #13949 painted Cascade green at Eola. Looks like it was in a line with a Chinese red waycar on one end and a mineral red waycar as the bookend on the other end. Made me reopen Mike Spoors CB&Q Color Guide again to look at Hol's rainbow line-up photo of waycars in Denver pre-1970 merger. (page 99) Chinese red, silver, Cascade green and MOW orange.
Thanks, Dave Sarther Tucson, AZ
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Dave - I do not have any images showing way car 14151 in BN green, but I can contribute one of 13949 taken at Eola, IL, in September 1969. Does anyone know when the Q started painting way cars green in anticipation of the BN merger and how many way cars were painted? Best Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
Hol,
Yes, please do post additional photos of waycar #14151. It will be great to have photos from different parts of its operating life.
Waycar #14151 had a very interesting life. Built as a class NE-1 30' waycar at Plattsmouth in April,1889 for the BMR. Became CB&Q #14151 in ????. The car was transferred to the BN and renumbered as # 11030. It was finally sold to a private owner in September 1976.
Does anyone have a photo of #14151 in BN green as #11030 that they would be willing to share with the group? That would complete the cycle. Does anyone know if the waycar still exists? Where?
Later, Dave Sarther Tucson, AZ
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The 14151, it should be noted, was equipped with a side door on each side and with the Allied full cushion trucks removed from NE-10 13554, all at Havelock in April 1963. That is, the trucks were changed at the same time the side doors were added. Both were done so the car could be assigned to mixed train service between Sterling, Colo., and Cheyenne, Wyo. If anyone is interested, I can post photos of both waycars with the Allied trucks.
Hol
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Rupert:
I have an original of the Corbin slide (he shot half a dozen or more and traded the extras), taken on May 30, 1959, and I've attached a scan. I recall he did say that another was painted at the same time, and obviously it was the 13966, coupled to the 14151. He also noted that they made a mistake in painting the stove exhaust stacks red and that they were soon repainted with high temperature resistant aluminum paint. The "paint shop" at Lincoln, as at most other locations at the time, was simply a spot on the rip track, and cars were repainted out in the open. Havelock did, of course, have an inside paint shop, but simple repaints were done on rip tracks all across the system.
Hol
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Hol
The photo was on eBay and shows 14151 coupled to another newly painted car which I think is 13366, suggesting that they have both just left the paint shop.
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
Ken, Rupert and all:
Corbin told me the 14151 was supposedly the first waycar to have been repainted Chinese red.
Hol
Ken
I don’t have anything specific about the change to Chinese red for way cars, but plenty has been said in the past about the use of that paint during 1958 and none of it related to waycars. It could be, of course, that no-one has asked the question before!
The earliest Chinese red photo I’ve found is of 14151 looking very newly painted in 1959.
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
I have been studying Randall Danniel's books on CB&Q waycars (especially the 28-foot and 30-foot wooden cars) in hopes of building some models, but have come up with a few questions that I cannot answer totally from the books:
Did the waycar paint scheme shift from mineral red to Chinese red about 1958, in about the same time frame as freight cars? Is that the same time the lettering style changed from Railroad Roman to the more Gothic style?
It looks to me like the more common herald was the rectangle without the black background, but some heralds seem to have a black background. Was this something that was changed at a particular time, or was this at the whim of the paint shops?
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