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From: "Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:23:05 -0700
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No, the Q and its subsidiaries did not, officially at least, paint boiler jackets any color other than black as late as the 1930s.  That's not to say it didn't happen, for special occasions and the like, and if it did, far away Texas was a likely place.  Recall the FW&D NW-2 painted Chinese red for road service in 1967.  And earlier in the 20th Century the C&S did indeed paint its boiler jackets and dome wrappers a lighter color, presumably green.  Many early 1900s views clearly show this and Otto Perry photos as late as 1918 indicate it was still being done 10 years after the Q bought control of the road.  See http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/42969/rec/1
 
Back-up lights were required on all locomotives, passenger, freight and switching, but especially on more modern locomotives the were not headlights mounted on the rear deck of the tender but rather much smaller lights attached to the rear of the tank.
 
And, yes, the 2189 and 2222 were indeed lignite burners before being converted to burn oil.  I've seen photographic evidence that some lignite engines converted to oil had the smokebox extension removed, but in most cases it was simply left in place, internal baffles, netting and all.
 
Hol
 

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:11:13 -0800
Subject: [CBQ] Re: Q Locos Leased to C&S-FW&D-BRI #1

 
Thanks for these beautiful photos. A few observations and questions. 

1) From their extended smokeboxes, it appears 2i89 and 2222 were lignite burners before their conversion to oil. 

2) 2005 and 2089 have rear headlights. I'd guess they were not used for yard switching, and if that's right why did they have them? Was it common practice on freight engines doing a lot of way freight work where on-line switching might be a good part of the job?

3) Off the wall question: The boiler jacket of 2222 looks lighter than the rest of the engine. The shiny black smokebox I'll write off to new graphite, but the not the the cab or tender. It may just be an artifact of black & white photography, but it makes me wonder, did the Burlington or subsidiaries ever paint their boiler jackets green or another color, as e.g. the D&RGW did?

Best,
Jonathan




---In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, <holpennywagner@...> wrote :

I'm finally getting back to this topic, and I'll start off with the four R-4-A and R-5-A Prairies that were leased to the Texas subsidiaries in the late 1920s and 1930s.  First was R-4-A 2015, leased to the FW&D along with S-2-A Pacific 2900 in 1929, then replaced by the 2005 in 1930 or '31.  By the end of 1931 the 2005 was back on the Q, and that ended the brief use of 2-6-2s by the Denver.  Then in 1933 the Burlington-Rock Island, which had been created from the bankrupt Trinity & Brazos Valley in 1930, leased R-5-A 2189 but soon returned it and replaced it with the Four Deuces -- R-5-A 2222.  The 2222 would remain in south Texas until the summer of 1938 and would be joined there by the returning 2189 in early 1935, that engine staying in Texas through the end of 1939. 
 
I have no idea where the FW&D used its two Prairies, but the B-RI used its pair primarily on local freights between Teague and Houston and between Houston and Galveston over the Santa Fe trackage rights it utilized, servicing the locomotives at the Southern Pacific (T&NO) roundhouse on Galveston island.  (The Houston Belt & Terminal roundhouse was used in Houston and the former T&BV roundhouse at Teague.)
 
All four of these Prairies were oil-burners, converted by the Q for service on the Casper and Sterling divisions, which were 100% oil-burning by 1930.
 
I've found no shots of the two R-4-As leased to the Denver, but there are a good many shots of the 2189 and 2222 on the B-RI.
 
Hol




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