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Nelson, Yes, I have followed this topic as it is one that is of interest to me. I've found the CB&Q "Wheel Reports to be incredibly useful to determine which type cars from what RR may have appeared on the CB&Q C&I Line in my time period. Those are great documents for operators that want to run realistic trains on a specific part of the CB&Q. They have helped me stay focused and not be tempted to buy cars that I like the look of.
Later, Dave
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From: 'Nelson Moyer' ku0a@mchsi.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 1:07 pm Subject: RE: [CBQ] Resin FM-11 and FM-14 Kits Dave,
Thanks for the additional information. If you’ve been reading the mail, you know that I’ve gotten several useful posts. I’ve determined that it’s the first two number series of FM-14A cars that fit my era, not just the first series. From the 1953 ORER, I calculated that flat cars made up 5% of the Q revenue freight car fleet, which surprisingly is the same percentage as stock cars. I have 24 stock cars, so I guess that means I need a like number of flat cars (but I won’t go there or my flats and stock cars combined would outnumber my boxcars).
Nelson
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Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 1:03 PM To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CBQ] Resin FM-11 and FM-14 Kits Nelson, One other important document that I uncovered during my research was one shared by Al Hoffman, the lettering diagram. I have attached a copy of that diagram for your reference as well as a few other documents and a photo of Chad's completed model.
Later, Dave Sarther
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From: 'Nelson Moyer' ku0a@mchsi.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 10:46 am Subject: RE: [CBQ] Resin FM-11 and FM-14 Kits Dave,
Thanks for reminding me that FM-14s were used with the bomber boxes. I had forgotten about that. I’m in need of several Q flat cars, since I have none at present, and between Chad and Jerry, it looks like I have the required sources.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:24 AM To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CBQ] Resin FM-11 and FM-14 Kits Nelson, For more information about the CB&Q FM-14 flatcars refer to pages 34, 35 and 36 of Burlington Bulletin #15. There you will find drawings of the flat car and the B-29 Fuselage Housings made to fit on the car to conceal the contents. That same article also gives building dates for the FM-14 cars built at Galesburg & Havelock. I shared those drawings and additional information I found while researching the project for some additional flat cars for my fleet with Chad Boas at a Naperville Convention. By that time Chad and I had also done a resin casting project to make 40' combination door cars (grain/lumber) of the CB&Q, GN and NP available for HO scale modelers. I felt that Chad was more than capable of doing these castings based on what he had done for the GN modeling community creating resin cast flat cars for them and the Combo Door resin Castings he had done and sold as part of our earlier project. Chad took over the project from there doing the resin castings and selling them. For information about purchasing these models contact Chad at ChadBoas@Yahoo.com. I believe that Jerry Hamsmith is the only decal manufacturer that has the correct decals for these CB&Q flatcars. If you wish more information about these FM-14 cars contact me off line.
Later, Dave Sarther Tucson, AZ
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From: 'Nelson Moyer' ku0a@mchsi.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 9:41 am Subject: RE: [CBQ] Resin FM-11 and FM-14 Kits Jerry,
That were the earliest build dates for the FM-14 and FM-14A flat cars? I’m looking forward to you forthcoming release of kits, and I need to know whether I need FM-14/14A cars.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:29 AM To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [CBQ] Resin FM-11 and FM-14 Kits Rich - The FM-11 kits were provided by Sunshine, first as a gift at one of the RPMs, and then as a mini-kit. The FM-14 is a resin kit produced by Chad Boas (not Jerry Glow) and is currently available. The Sunshine car is (to my knowledge) no longer produced and only available via Ebay or another second-hand market.
For both of these models, weights can be place on the underframe along the center sill between the crossbearers. This works OK for the FM-11, as it has deep side sills, it doesn't work quite as well for the FM-14. In both instances, it plays havoc with any attempt to model the AB brakes.
New FM-11 kits are being planned and will have space for weight engineered into the casting between the decking and the underframe. Give us some time to finish off the masters and get them cast.
The prototype FM-11 and -11A flats were built in 1928 and 1930. 250 FM-11s were built in 1928 and numbered 91000-91249. Company documents show Q truck #31 as original equipment. These were 5' 4" Arch Bar trucks. These were quickly replaced with both Q #46 (a 5' 6" Andrews cast steel) and Q #60 (I am not sure what this was, but I assume another variation of an Andrews) trucks. 600 FM-11As were built in 1930 and numbered 91250-91849. Company documents show Q truck #48-A as original equipment. This was also a 5' 6" Andrews cast steel truck. Interestingly, these trucks were rebuilt using #31 parts and new side frames.
Trucks used on the prototype FM-14 and -14A flats are more difficult to respond to. These flats were built over a period of 15 years and in multiple batches, both at Galesburg and then Havelock. Various trucks types were used, including National Type B, standard cast steel ASF, Barber S-2, and cast steel Unit type. You really need to pick a car number or numbers and then look to see what trucks were used for those cars.
I have produced HO scale decals for both the FM-11 and FM-14 flats and provide some prototype data with each set. I will also be giving a talk on Q flat cars at the upcoming BRHS Spring Meet.
Hope this helps.
Jerry Hamsmith
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