June 14, 2014
Hol - Thanks for clarifying. I somehow had gained the mistaken impression
the Q had the Missabe Yellowstones on lease during the War and was not just
moving them from Chicago to Denver. Yes, you'd think that more images of
the 2-8-8-4's in transit over the Q would exist. I'd suspect the
Yellowstones journeyed from Duluth, MN, south on the GN to the Twin Cities,
then moved
over the Q south to Chicago and on west to Denver. A lot of miles over the
Q not to have been captured by the railroad photographers active at the
time. Much appreciate and best regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 6/14/2014 12:28:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
Louis:
The DM&IR engines were simply being moved west for service on the D&RGW,
and I'm sure the Q wanted them off their rails as quickly as possible and
therefore double-headed them. You're quite right that the drawbars of
freight cars would break before the capacity of two of these engines on the
Chicago-Denver mainline was reached. Joe Schick did not record how many cars
were in the train he photographed. And I don't know if the engines were
double-headed all the way from Chicago, or if the were paired up at Lincoln.
And since the D&RGW leased a half-dozen of the Yellowstones in two
consecutive winters -- 1942-43 and 1943-44 -- there would have been numerous
possibilities for double-headers over the Q.
Hol
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To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 13:02:43 -0400
Subject: [CBQ] Yellowstones On Lines West
June 14, 2014
Hol - Catching-up with Emails this Saturday morning. I have several
questions in regard to your's below. Could the DM&IR Yellowstones shown have
been
double headed to reposition one as traffic during World War Two was
predominately east to west to support the Pacific Theatre of War. My thoughts
are
that the two Yellowstones would've vastly overpowered any Q freight train
strung out behind them. Broken knuckles and pulled drawbars had to been a
major concern as two Yellowstones could pull far more than what the draft
gear on freight cars at the time could withstand. Did the photographer record
how many cars were being pulled? Lastly, how far east did the Yellowstones
operate? As far as Lincoln? Obviously, the Yellowstones were far too big
for any Q turntable, so they had to have a wye with heavy rail to turn. Any
further comments from you or others on the List would be appreciated.
Still, a most remarkable image! Best Regards - Louis
In a message dated 6/10/2014 11:48:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
Looking at these two photos made me wonder if the DM&IR engines were ever
double-headed on the DM&IR. I don't think they were, but I'm certainly no
Missabe expert, and this is probably the wrong forum in which to pose this
question. But . . . these photos may well document the only time these big
engines ran doubled-headed, and it was on the Q, of all unlikely places!
Hol
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From: holpennywagner@msn.com
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Unexpected Visitor To Aurora
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:39:31 -0600
OK, here's the rest:
By late 1942 the D&RGW was being overwhelmed by heavy wartime traffic,
much of it flowing over the Moffat Road and Dotsero Cutoff, but a substantial
amount also taking the Royal Gorge route west from Pueblo. The Rio Grande
borrowed whatever power it could -- even a single O-1-A Mike from the Q.
But big power was needed and in the winter of 1942-43 and again the
following winter the Grande managed to borrow several big 2-8-8-4 Yellowstones
from the Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range, which had no need for them during the
winter when Great Lakes ore traffic was at a standstill. The locomotives
were sent west from Chicago via the Q in service, and Joe Schick, who lived
at Keenesburg, Colo., some 40 miles northeast of Denver on the mainline,
caught up with a pair of them double-headed on a westbound freight, on a
chilly December 12, 1943. The two attached views are the magnificent result.
&nbs p;
After one of the DM&IR engines ran away and derailed with an eastbound
train coming down out of the mountains on the Moffat at Fireclay on February
7, 1943, the leased engines were restricted to service between Denver and
Pueblo. Otto Perry photos of the derailed DM&IR 224 and sister 225 in
service on the Joint Line can be found at:
http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id
/51309/rec/1
http://cdm16
079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/67330/rec/1
_http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/coll
ection/p15330coll22/id/67331/rec/1_
(http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/67331/rec/1)
Enjoy!
Hol
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