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RE: [CBQ] Looking for clarification on Empire Builder 'Pass' sleepers

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Subject: RE: [CBQ] Looking for clarification on Empire Builder 'Pass' sleepers
From: HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:55:45 -0600
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Craig:
 
I have a good color slide of the Cut Bank Pass if you need it.
 
Hol
 

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From: holpennywagner@msn.com
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:51:36 -0600
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Looking for clarification on Empire Builder 'Pass' sleepers

 
Craig:
 
Burlington company records indicate the 1167-Cut Bank Pass was acquired new by the Q in January 1947, along with cars 1168 and 1169.  It remained a Burlington-owned car until donated to the Tennessee Valey Railroad Museum in 1969.  Those same company records indicate the 1168 was received in December 1946 and sold to the GN in June 1955 (along with coaches  1132-1133 and dining cars 1144 and 1154), while the 1169 was received in January 1947 and was sold to the GN in October 1949 following the wreck.
 
Hol Wagner
 

To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: railadventures@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:41:13 +0000
Subject: [CBQ] Looking for clarification on Empire Builder 'Pass' sleepers

 
I am researching the history of the EB and have found a conflict in the information regarding the CB&Q 'Pass' sleepers used on the 1947 train. There appear to be 3 such cars that the CB&Q owned (at one point or another):

1167 Cut Bank Pass
1168 Red Gap Pass
1169 Swift Current Pass

1169 was delivered to CB&Q but wrecked in 1949, rebuilt at Pullman and resold to GN in 1951. 1168 was delivered to CB&Q but subsequently sold to GN in 1955. 1167 is the curiosity. Some sources say it always belonged to CB&Q but the Pullman Project inventory shows it as having been delivered to GN, which would mean it was subsequently acquired by CB&Q.

Can anyone shed light on 1167's history?

Craig Brinkman





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