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We had a couple of those "widowmakers" on the Rock Island at Joliet when I was trainmaster there in61 and 62...I don't know how long they lasted..They were strictly used only for yard transfer work.
Pete
-----Original Message----- From: HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com> To: CB&Q Group <cbq@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:02 am Subject: RE: [CBQ] Emergency waycars I should have mentioned that the FW&D converted its box waycars because in 1949 Texas became the last state in the country to ban the use of side door cars in train service. The Q got away with its "widowmakers" until the early-mid-1950s because they were employed strictly in yard service, though this included many transfer and local switching runs that were really no different than over-the-road trains.
Hol To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com From: gamlenz@ihug.co.nz Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:29:00 +1300 Subject: [CBQ] Emergency waycars As the waycars converted from boxcars were so obviously unsafe (even to non-rail workers), I wonder why efforts weren't made to make them safer, possibly on the lines of the transfer waycar #14700. I know that the Burlington was frugal, but I have never seen a comment that it would deliberately risk the safety of its employees in order to save money. These conversions weren't exactly a new concept - the Burlington's subsidiaries had used "bouncers" and "box ways" since the early 1890's, and 24 of them had been assimilated into the CB&Q roster in 1904, so there was ample opportunity to identify the problems before the next round of conversions.
Looking at the box waycars that the Burlington converted post-1904 and in 1943-5, the biggest obstacle to providing better egress and exit might have been the position of the trucks, which were nearer to the ends of the car than on a waycar, and there w as insufficient space outside the trucks for conventional waycar steps. Whilst the underframes were wooden, all the cars had either truss rods or steel centre sills so moving the trucks inwards would have been a major difficulty. There were two possible solutions. Rebuild the superstructure ends (the XM-10 and XM-11 cars that were used were double sheathed with wood ends as opposed to the steel ends of the XM-18's) to create a platform at each end similar to 14700 or, if rebuilding was not acceptable, at least put a door at each corner with steps below. That would have reduced the available space inside, but that would have been a small price to pay for the added safety. At least if there was a fall, the crew would not be at risk from the following truck. Rupert Gamlen Auckland NZ __._,_.___
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