I have all my Railroad Magazines from
the 40's and 50's.. Mom and Dad almost threw them out when I was
in RVN 67/68, but dad started reading them again and kept them. I
still look and read them. That was railroading at its finest.
Noel
On 12/20/2012 1:37 PM, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com wrote:
Charlie...I'll
be glad to get anything you have..I, also, have some
"non politically correct stuff"..some from the old
Railroad Magazine which most of us old timers are
familiar with.
Send me anything you have off list and I'll get it
into the file.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@comcast.net>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:24 pm
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Buda-Elmwood Branch Passenger
Service...now it's whangdoodles
Pete-
It is exactly
what we need…..PROD, PROD, PROD!!!
I’ll try to
peruse some of the downloads to see if
there is anything that can add to the
discussion…..there is one article, which
I’ll send you off-list, which is very
politically incorrect and relates to the
CB&Q before the turn of the
century….and is written as if it was
transcribed from a sandhouse
discussion…..very colorful to say the
least!!
Charlie
I think what we have is
not high prose...but it's REAL
RAILROADERS TALKING...As I've
"postulated" before my round
tuit is getting closer and I'll
try to get something going.
There is so much which has come
out in the last few days and I
hope I can get something
together which will include
everybody's contribution.
I'll be open to some,
shall we say, PRODDING to get
this going...
-----Original
Message-----
From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@comcast.net>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:02 pm
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Buda-Elmwood
Branch Passenger Service...now
it's whangdoodles
I think
that a compilation
of this discussion
and list of terms
brought up would
make a dandy
Zephyr or maybe
even Bulletin
article. When
this starts to
wind down maybe
Pete or somebody
else would like to
take a stab at
pulling it
together…… don’t
have to worry
about making it
high prose; what
I’ve seen here is
pretty good
reading!!!
I have some
old trade journal
and union
magazines that may
add to the
article…..tied up
with holidays,
building our house
and client work
right now but will
peruse them for
some additional
gems….I know that
“running wild”
goes back to Civil
War days.
Steve...that's
an interesting
sidelight
which I never
would have
thought of on
my own
although it
fits so well
with a
railroaders
mentality and
penchant for
the nickname
and the
"playing of
tricks".
Speaking
of
"tricks"...One
day I was at
the depot at
Langdon and
noticed that
one of the
windows in the
operator's bay
was broken out
and the pane
was filled
with a piece
of
cardboard. I
asked my dad
if he knew
what
happened...He
said a few day
ago a brakeman
threw a 'sack
of water"
(from his
passing
waycar) at
Bruce
(Adamson, the
agent) and it
went through
the
window...Bruce
was a real old
time operator
and had been a
DS during WW
II. He was a
trickster
himself and
had probably
pulled some
stunt on that
"shack" and
was being
repaid.
Bruce
also had a
violent temper
and used the
same violent
profanity to
go with it.
My dad told me
that one time
he saw Bruce
get mad at a
typewriter.
He tore the
platen off the
machine and
threw it
through the
depot
window. You
won't be
surprised that
he suffered a
stroke shortly
after he
retired and
spent his last
years in
helpless
condition.
Bruce
was the name
Adamson was
known by, but
his initials
were PBA...Few
knew that his
first name was
Percy...How
about
that...My dad
always called
him "Pers".
My dad was
kind of
a"joker"
himself and
maybe he just
did it to "get
Pers's goat"
This
stuff is
getting to be
so much fun
that it's
taking all my
time....not
that I have
anything
reallly
pressing me,
but I love
it...Keep it
up guys...We
own this stuff
that the
"newbies"
don't, but I
think they
like to hear
it.
Sometimes
the train
crews knew
where they
were at and
would yell at
the DS. But
he had to have
it keyed up to
hear it.
They had many
names some not
printable.
Steve in SC
Sounds
exactly right
Archie...they
would indeed
"tattle" on a
crew "fudging"
on the delay
repot.
Pete,
I recall the
old heads
telling about
one on the
north end of
the K Line at
either Viele
or Ft Madison,
they called
them
Tattle-Tales.
Archie
Steve...Not
unexpectedly
you get the
prize for the
right answer
even though
I'm sure John
knows also.
My
first
experience was
that there was
one at Craig
Missouri on
the Omaha
Kansas City
line...I used
to listen in
on the DS
phone at the
Langdon depot
while with my
dad waiting on
No.s 21 and
26. This one
had a unique
feature, which
may have been
present on
others as
well...Before
you could hear
the train
approaching
there was a
dog that would
start to bark
before the
mike picked up
the sound of
the
train...Kind
of like an
"annunciator"
or live "on
the bell"
warning.
I don't
know whether
this thing was
used on other
railroads but
suspect that
it was...Also
I wonder if
the name was
the same all
over the Q
system...Very
interesting
how
railroaders
came up with
unique names
for places and
"devices" used
on the RR.
A few
years ago I
asked the late
Robert Brown
if he knew
about the
Whang... He
sure did and
related an
experience he
had...I don't
recall what
station he was
at, but there
the Mike was
located in the
depot. The
agent would
turn off the
mike when he
came to work
and turn it on
again when he
left.
Well,
one morning
Brown forgot
to turn off
the whanger
and was
trying,
unsuccessfully,
to get a fire
started in his
coal stove and
was using
some "choice"
words...The DS
called him on
the phone and
told him that
he should
either use
some improved
language or
turn off the
whangdoodle.
Also,
Steve,
speaking of
Briar
Bluff...back
in the early
forties there
was a bad head
on collision
just south of
Briar Bluff.
The Rock
Island train
(southbound
out of Silvis,
bound for
Peoria) had a
meet with a Q
train at Brar
Bluff. The
RI crew was
not familiar
with the
stations on
the Q and got
by Briar Bluff
before they
knew where
they were.
The engineer
had not been
over the line
in some time
and IIRC the
fireman and
head brakeman
were new
men..It was
bad..I think
some
fatalities...This
one is on the
ICC Accident
Investigation
List.
If I
remember right
there use to
be one at
Brair Bluff(on
the Pea
Vine((Just
South of
Colona))) You
keyed in in
just like any
other phone
but it was a
microphone and
you could hear
the birds
singing. Oh!
but it was so
you could hear
a train go by
so you had
some Idea what
was happening
with your
railroad. The
reason it was
used was for
Info only.
But the Rock
Island would
most times not
flag and often
were real late
in OS-ing a
train on or
off the line
at Colona.
That was one
of the main
reasons the
first CTC on
the Pea
Vine(after
merger) was
Colona to
Orion Jct.
where the RI
coal train ran
that went to
and from the
coal mines
around
Wyoming.
Course another
neat story
about the Pea
Vine was when
they put the
TV cameras in
so the clerks
in Galesburg
could read the
car numbers
with out
walking the
tracks. They
just watched
TV. And guess
what grew all
along the
ROW. It use
to be a
standing joke
along the Pea
Vine every
fall when the
Mary Jane got
tall they
would have an
annual Fall
Harvest and
would use the
wire from the
phone lines to
bind it up
with. So when
we had phone
trouble we
knew what was
happening. It
was also a
standing joke
in my
neighborhood
when living in
Berwick(working
in Galesburg
DS Office)
When we were
mowing weeds
we were
harvesting our
Cash Crop.
Opps got side
tracked.
Anyway the
subjects would
use the lights
from the
cameras to
harvest and
the neat part
was it was all
on tape ready
for the
court. Course
most crooks
are not too
Bright.
Steve in SC
ThanksJohn..I'd
never heard
the term
running
crooked
before
While
were at
it....Who
knows what a
WHANGDOODLE
was...relax
it's not
profane or
dirty. I
think I've
sprung that
one on here
before, but
let's see who
knows.
-----Original
Message-----
From: John D.
Mitchell, Jr.
<cbqrr47@yahoo.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec
18, 2012 2:47
pm
Subject: Re:
[CBQ]
Buda-Elmwood
Branch
Passenger
Service
jOHN..I
know about all
of them except
"running
crooked"...I
t;hink I might
even know what
that one
implies, but
how about a
bit more
enlightenment.
-----Original
Message-----
From: John D.
Mitchell, Jr.
<cbqrr47@yahoo.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec
17, 2012 11:17
pm
Subject: RE:
[CBQ]
Buda-Elmwood
Branch
Passenger
Service
Or
"hit the bell"
or "He's
shining me
right now"
Ever hear that
last one,
Steve? And how
about "riding
yellows" and
"running
crooked"?
--- On Mon,
12/17/12, Mike
Cafferata <mcaff1@htc.net> wrote:
How
about “On the
circuit” or
“hit the
circuit”?
YES
INDEED....I
"OPINED" RE
PROTECT A FEW
DAYS AGO.
-----Original
Message-----
From: dhartman
<dhartman@mchsi.com>
To: CBQ yahoo
<CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec
17, 2012 12:03
pm
Subject: Re:
[CBQ]
Buda-Elmwood
Branch
Passenger
Service
Anyone
mention
"protect" yet?
Sent
from my
Verizon
Wireless
BlackBerry
Date: Mon, 17
Dec 2012
12:28:31 -0500
(EST)
Subject:
Re:
[CBQ]
Buda-Elmwood
Branch
Passenger
Service
I am
VERY MUCH
INTERESTED
STEVE/..
Anybody else
with anything
along this
line...I'm
getting warmed
up (again) to
the idea of
putting
together a
"compendium"
of this
stuff...ie RR
terms,
references,
abbreviations
pertinent
phrasing etc).
I knew
I had another
item just had
to dig it out
My Train Sheet
from Monday
Sept. 17,
1962. This
was saved by P
K Hannah and I
managed to
talk him out
of it.
It covers the
Bushnell to
Beardstown
Sub(Roseville
to Beardstown
thru
Bushnell)(Now
the busy coal
main)(( on
this day only
62 north with
66 annulled
and 63 and 73
south. And
the wayfreight
with engine
308 worked
from
Beardstown to
Vermont side
trip to
Astoria and
then all the
way to
Roseville and
back to
Beardstown),
Peoria to
Galesburg Sub,
Fairview and
Lewiston Sub
(Fairview to
South
Liverpool) and
the Buda and
Vermont
Subdivision
The train we
are looking
for ran that
day as a work
extra on duty
at 10 AM in
Canton using
motor 9405-B
having been
rebuilt with a
cab in 1954.
The sheet does
not show them
departing
Canton(CO)((telegraph
call)) until
140Pm working
Norris(NS)150-202
Farmington(FA)
217-230 and
arriving Yates
City(CD) at
235 with 3-2-
290 departing
at 330 with
2-45-1000(loads-empties-tons)
Elmwood(WD)
339-347 then
must have done
some kind of
work as did
not get to
Bradford until
935 Pm with
1-3-150 and
departed at
1000 Pm with
4-0-320 WD
1247-1255AM CD
arrived at
1:50 with
23-0-1852 and
out 1:25
W/C(waycar
lite) and slid
into home
plate at
Canton at
1:55AM W/C
relieved at
1:59 (the 16
hour rule was
in effect and
would have
died at
2:00AM.
John
Mitchell's
Bulletin 35
covered the
Illinois Coal
Fields South
of
Beardstown.
This sheet
covers the
Coal Fields
North of
Beardstown
With a lot of
coal dumped in
South
Liverpool.
When your
ready Charlie
I think I can
do a pretty
good small
Bulletin
Dave
this has a
train to
Roseville
might be able
to shoehorn
into the
material you
have now
Pete
here are some
items for your
list.
Telegraph
Calls often
used to
abbreviate for
calls and
notations.
Somewhere I
have a whole
list if you
are
interested.
Steve in SC
Thanks,
Steven!
That narrows
my search a
little.
David P.
Jordan
Dunlap,
Illinois
>David
>My April
'46 Official
Guide shows
Daily except
Sunday Mixed
train Buda to
Yates City and
Yates City to
Peoria. Looks
like the job
worked out of
Buda 6:50 AM
>out of
Buda and Yates
City 9:40-2:50
back into Buda
5:00PM
>Oct. 1955
shows Mixed
Service and it
looks like the
job may have
come out of
Galesburg or
Yates City
Yates City
11:00 AM Buda
2:00-2:20
Schedules in
the
GT->Peoria
do not jive.
>April 1958
just shows
Mixed train
service
Consult agent
No times shown
>Would be
neat on a
model railroad
to change
locations
where jobs
worked out of
and then maybe
even change
them to run in
the opposite
direction
>Steve in
SC
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