When the 1938 chair cars and diners were delivered, The Zephyr, publication of the Q's Traffic Department, stated that they were acquired specifically for use on the Aristocrat. I don't have a specific citation at hand, but I copied the page when I read it at the Denver Public Library.
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To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com From: rgz17@comcast.net Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:47:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [CBQ] Pre-War Budd Cars
They were built in 1938 - the original edit had that, then I made it more readable, and lost it.
At 10:23 AM 9/4/2012, you wrote:
I believe Silver Chariot, Trail, and Spring were acquired prior to 1940, about the same time as the 3 diners. I would have to check Randalls Passenger Car Library, which is at home, for the exact year.
--- On Tue, 9/4/12, Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net> wrote:
- From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net>
- Subject: [CBQ] Pre-War Budd Cars
- To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
- Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 9:19 AM
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- All non-articulated
- The first cars were for the first DZ;
- SILVER COURIER & HERALD (1936 - APU/MBE);
- SILVER LINING and BAR (1936 - Bag-Dorm-Bar);
- SILVER BEAM & BELL (added in 1938 - 64 seat chair - dinette) ;
- SILVER SLIPPER & SILVER MOON (added 1939 - 4-4-1-1-4),
- SILVER FLASH & STREAK. (1936 - Parlor-Buffet-Obs)
- Denver-Dallas service received SILVER FOX, BOW, ORE, TOP, MINE & SPUR. (1937)
- The GPZ received SILVER LEAF, (70 Chair) EAGLE (52 chair) & STAR. (dining-parlor-obs) (1939)
- The SSZ received SILVER LIGHT (bag), SHEEN (MBE), GLEAM 52 chair), GLOW (52 Chair) & SPIRIT (dining-parlor-Obs). (1939-1940)
- The TZ received SILVER TIDINGS MESSENGER, (MBE), SILVER MESA, PEAK (bag-dorm-chair), TRAY & BOWL (dining-lounge-obs) (1940).
- CB&Q Pool Cars:
- SILVER PHEASANT, INN & SPOON (1938 - Dining Car)
- SILVER LIGHT, CHEST, EXPRESS. (1940 - Baggage)
- SILVER SHEEN, MAIL. SILVER SPIRIT (1939) , HOURS, , FOUNTAIN (1939-1940 - Dining, Parlor, Obs)
- SILVER CHARIOT, TRAIL, SPRING, GLEAM, GLOW, BIRCH, BROOK, CASTLE, CLOUD, CREST, CROWN, FOREST, ALCHEMY, CASCADE (1940 - 52 seat chair)
- So... there were more than a few cars available. None of these cars were ordered for the Aristocrat but were used on it and the Exposition Flyer frequently. In the late 60s; SILVER GLEAM and other pre-war 52 seat cars were used often in summer (CHI-DEN (later GJ, SLC), and of course, ALCHEMY & CASTLE were rebuilt into pattern domes.
- At 02:54 PM 9/3/2012, you wrote:
- I believe the individual Budd coaches and diners were acquired for the Aristocrat.
- From: William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>;
- To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>;
- Subject: [CBQ] C&S E5A 9955 at scrap line in 1970...
- Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2012 3:14:19 PM
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- Charlie,
- I realized my error about the carbody skirts after I posted the comment. Obviously, they were a maintenance headache and were eventually removed as were the carbody skirts on most E's and F's. I had forgotten about the 9908 and it's train (i believe Ken Martin is correct that it was the General Pershing Zephyr, not the Silver Streak). However, I have heard from another source, that the special train in the photo was, as you state, the first assemblage of pre war Budd equipment in a complete train. It is amazing that, with all the fixed consist Zephyr trains of the day, the Q had acquired that many individual Budd cars. I wonder what their intent was. Were these individual cars simply additions to the fleet or did they have another idea in mind that was interrupted by WWII? Did they plan to streamline the Exposition flyer or some other train earlier than they finally did with the CZ? Does anyone know how many individual Budd cars that the Q owned that were built before WWII?
- Bill Barber
- Gravois Mills, MO
- On Sep 3, 2012, at 6:14 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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C&S E5A 9955 at scrap line in 1970...
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Sun Sep 2, 2012 8:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
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"Charlie Vlk" n_cbqguy
- Bill-
- What a super photo!!!
- I don't think it is the first complete train of Budd non articulated cars;
- that would be the Silver Streak Zephyr as built..but it might be the first
- assemblage of pre-war Budd cars with a diner, etc.. into a full train
- outside of the 9909. It looks like it was 12 cars or longer..must have
- taken quite an effort to gather all the pool cars for the special!
- By way of clarification, the truck skirt did not hide a carbody skirt; they
- were on the same level as the carbody skirts and took their place. Postwar
- cars had full skirts over the trucks and the 9904-9907 had smooth carbody
- skirts over the power trucks as well.
- Charlie Vlk
- Bob Webber
Bob Webber
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