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47/48 used whatever was available into St. Louis. Pullmans in coach service were quite common. The ex-C&NW coaches were used before they were repainted (and after). The L&N cars were picked up at St. Louis Union Station as the L&N had several trains into there each day. From: "Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com" <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: interesting use of HW Pullmans, CB&Q in the 1950s That's the one I'm talking about, but I didn't remember the guy's name...I the actual event was long enough ago (50 plus years) that I am absolutely certain about it...The program is recent enough that I couldn't remember the presenters name.
You young guys don't understand this phenomenon....But if you live long enough you will...How about it John M.
Pete
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From: herrick <herrick@krausonline.com> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2012 8:00 pm Subject: [CBQ] Re: interesting use of HW Pullmans, CB&Q in the 1950s Hopefully Jerry Lundeen will respond. He gave a clinic on this train at the spring meet in the Quad Cities a few years ago. My recollection from the clinic is that the Pullmans were used as coaches due to equipment shortages. Bob Herrick --- In mailto:CBQ%40yahoogroups.com, "Dave Lotz" <Dave_Lotz@...> wrote: > > > From The PCL Yahoo Group - Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by: > "jshorvath10583" jshorvath10583 > <mailto:jshorvath10583@...?subject=Re%3A%20interesting%20use%20of%20HW > %20Pullmans%2C%20CB%26Q%20in%20the%201950s> > > I happened across a sequence of photos today that show CB&Q passenger train > #47-48 in late 1955-early 1956. I only have a July 1953 OG to go by but > apparently these were St. Louis-Minneapolis trains (on paper at least) that > took the long way via an all-Q routing on the east side of the Mississippi > (as opposed to the more-direct jointly-operated Q-RI routing along the west > side). It was a sloooow ride, almost 24 hours, with extended station stops > in several places. > > In any event, in 1953 at least #47-48 had no through cars between St. Louis > and the Twin Cities. I get the impression they were primarily all-stops > coach + M&E locals between St. Louis and the Chicago-Twin Cities main in > Savanna, IL where connections were made with mainline trains. In 1953 at > least these trains also handled a sleeper to/from the Quad Cities that made > connections in Savanna for forwarding to/from the Twin Cities. > > What caught my eye is that on several days at least during the > aforementioned timeframe it appears a HW sleeper not owned by the CB&Q was > used as the coach between St. Louis and Savanna. Here's the photos showing a > total of three different trains on two different days. The sleepers are C&NW > and L&N owned, the former a Plan 3973A 10-1-1 (recently renamed) and the > latter a Plan 3410 12-1: > > 29 December 1955: > > http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto > n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=627021867&k=3R2Fa > <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt > on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=627021867&k=3R2Fa> > > http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto > n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835388792&k=8xxrx6b&lb=1&s=A > <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt > on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835388792&k=8xxrx6b&lb=1&s=A> > > http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto > n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835388053&k=p366LdL > <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt > on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835388053&k=p366LdL> > > http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto > n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835384332&k=xn2Gc4J&lb=1&s=A > <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt > on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835384332&k=xn2Gc4J&lb=1&s=A> > > http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto > n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835385982&k=DQ3N3NL&lb=1&s=A > <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt > on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835385982&k=DQ3N3NL&lb=1&s=A> > > 3 January 1956: > > http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto > n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=627022695&k=DZvHD&lb=1&s=A > <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt > on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=627022695&k=DZvHD&lb=1&s=A> > > http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto > n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=627008577&k=iGYF4&lb=1&s=A > <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt > on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=627008577&k=iGYF4&lb=1&s=A> > > http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto > n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835398759&k=hJ3drhN&lb=1&s=A > <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt > on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835398759&k=hJ3drhN&lb=1&s=A> > > Can someone who's knowledgeable about the Q explain the reason for using HW > Pullmans like this? Was the Q so strapped for coaches during the holiday > period that they needed to go to the Pullman pool for sleepers to use? > > Thanks. > > John S. Horvath > __._,_.___
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