Hopefully Jerry Lundeen will respond. He gave a clinic on this train at the
spring meet in the Quad Cities a few years ago. My recollection from the clinic
is that the Pullmans were used as coaches due to equipment shortages.
Bob Herrick
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Lotz" <Dave_Lotz@...> wrote:
>
>
> From The PCL Yahoo Group - Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
> "jshorvath10583" jshorvath10583
> <mailto:jshorvath10583@...?subject=Re%3A%20interesting%20use%20of%20HW
> %20Pullmans%2C%20CB%26Q%20in%20the%201950s>
>
> I happened across a sequence of photos today that show CB&Q passenger train
> #47-48 in late 1955-early 1956. I only have a July 1953 OG to go by but
> apparently these were St. Louis-Minneapolis trains (on paper at least) that
> took the long way via an all-Q routing on the east side of the Mississippi
> (as opposed to the more-direct jointly-operated Q-RI routing along the west
> side). It was a sloooow ride, almost 24 hours, with extended station stops
> in several places.
>
> In any event, in 1953 at least #47-48 had no through cars between St. Louis
> and the Twin Cities. I get the impression they were primarily all-stops
> coach + M&E locals between St. Louis and the Chicago-Twin Cities main in
> Savanna, IL where connections were made with mainline trains. In 1953 at
> least these trains also handled a sleeper to/from the Quad Cities that made
> connections in Savanna for forwarding to/from the Twin Cities.
>
> What caught my eye is that on several days at least during the
> aforementioned timeframe it appears a HW sleeper not owned by the CB&Q was
> used as the coach between St. Louis and Savanna. Here's the photos showing a
> total of three different trains on two different days. The sleepers are C&NW
> and L&N owned, the former a Plan 3973A 10-1-1 (recently renamed) and the
> latter a Plan 3410 12-1:
>
> 29 December 1955:
>
> http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto
> n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=627021867&k=3R2Fa
> <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt
> on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=627021867&k=3R2Fa>
>
> http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto
> n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835388792&k=8xxrx6b&lb=1&s=A
> <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt
> on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835388792&k=8xxrx6b&lb=1&s=A>
>
> http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto
> n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835388053&k=p366LdL
> <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt
> on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835388053&k=p366LdL>
>
> http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto
> n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835384332&k=xn2Gc4J&lb=1&s=A
> <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt
> on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835384332&k=xn2Gc4J&lb=1&s=A>
>
> http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto
> n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835385982&k=DQ3N3NL&lb=1&s=A
> <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt
> on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835385982&k=DQ3N3NL&lb=1&s=A>
>
> 3 January 1956:
>
> http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto
> n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=627022695&k=DZvHD&lb=1&s=A
> <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt
> on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=627022695&k=DZvHD&lb=1&s=A>
>
> http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto
> n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=627008577&k=iGYF4&lb=1&s=A
> <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt
> on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=627008577&k=iGYF4&lb=1&s=A>
>
> http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingto
> n-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz - !i=1835398759&k=hJ3drhN&lb=1&s=A
> <http://www.westernrailimages.com/Chicago-Burlington-Quincy/Chicago-Burlingt
> on-Quincy/7248140_p6xkXz#!i=1835398759&k=hJ3drhN&lb=1&s=A>
>
> Can someone who's knowledgeable about the Q explain the reason for using HW
> Pullmans like this? Was the Q so strapped for coaches during the holiday
> period that they needed to go to the Pullman pool for sleepers to use?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John S. Horvath
>
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