Fw: [CBQ] Re: FW&D Cabooses

[Skip Waters <wgcrush@swbell.net>]

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From: texaszephyr <texaszephyr@sw.rr.com>
To: Skip Waters <wgcrush@swbell.net>
Sent: Sun, August 19, 2012 6:21:07 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: FW&D Cabooses



Unlike the Q, the FW&D only owned two ex-WW II Army kitchen cars which had been purchased for express service. Both had became surplus after the TEXAS ZEPHYR was discontinued on Sept. 11, 1967 and both were converted in waycars circa 1968 at the Childress Shops. I suspect that the Childress Shops used their newly delivered 151 class as patterns so its my guess that the two home builts came shortly after the 151-162 class arrived.

 

I'm not sure why the numbers that they received were chosen. All I can figure is that FW&D book-keepers were attempting to reuse old numbers as to not show a piece of new equipment being added to the roster. That being said, it is extremely odd that the two did not receive consecutive road numbers.

 

I'm not sure how much of the cars were actually used. It looks like the frame and sides and possibly some of the roof. The FW&D would have had to fabricate ends and cupolas. You can clearly see where the large side doors were plugged during the conversion.

 

Steve Goen

 

 

 

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From: Skip Waters

To: texaszephyr

Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:28 PM

Subject: Fw: [CBQ] Re: FW&D Cabooses

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From: William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 9:13:49 AM
Subject: [CBQ] Re: FW&D Cabooses

 

In the new Way car book, there are several photos of FW&D caboose no. 73; one a wood caboose which I think is the original #73 built in 1925, and two of a steel caboose. The steel caboose is obviously built from a WWII troop kitchen car (jeep) which can clearly be seen in the photo of the car in BN paint. No mention is made of the troop car conversion. A few pages later, 600 and 601, another steel caboose, no. 102, is shown which is also a converted troop kitchen car. There one caption acknowledges it as the 2nd converted troop car.

It appears that these were the only two cabooses converted from troop kitchen cars. In the roster on page 579, it notes that no. 102 was converted from FW&D baggage express car no. 110 which I assume was one of the troop kitchen cars. On page 578, the data for caboose no. 73 is more confusing. It shows the original no. 73 as built in 1925. I believe that is the wood car in the photo at the bottom of page 589. Much later, the roster data states that original no. 73 was replaced by caboose no. 109 which was a former CB&Q NE-9 caboose no. 13807 renumbered to 73. No mention of a steel no. 73 is made in the roster.

my questions are:

1. Were these two steel cars the only ones converted from troop kitchen cars?

2. Was this work done at the Childress shop?

3. Was the entire car used or just the side sheets?

4. It appears that both cars were converted in 1968?

5. Wood car 109 renumbered as no. 73 was apparently scrapped in 1968, so it seems that the steel no. 73 entered service in 1968. It's silver Q paint scheme would tend to confirm that.

FW&D obviously had an eclectic fleet of cabooses. In some cases, tracking their history seems to be a challenge. The Way car book certainly highlights some interesting oddities that occurred in the Q family of way cars.

Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO

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