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The original purpose of the " flimsy" was to enable the order to be read by the light of a lantern (oil burning) or lamp in a dark jouncing cab of a steam locomtive. or waycar The order could be held up in front of the light of the lantern, cab light or even the firebox. The thin tissue allowed the writing to come through and the writing to be read under those primitive conditions which you young railroaders and fans know nothing whatever of today. The practice of using the thin tissue paper continued, as did many of the old practices well into the modern era, just because.."that's the way it's always been done".
In later years the orders,,,,expecially "slow orders" were done via fax and copying machine on regular paper.
John and Leo may want to chime in on this, but wanted to get the thread started.
Pete
-----Original Message----- From: dhartman <dhartman@mchsi.com> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:35 am Subject: Re: [CBQ] Newberry Archives Speaking of old paper and operating crews, does anyone know why orders were on that flimsy tissue-like paper? They were difficult to sort through when you had a stack. Much better, I thought, when they switched to regular, heavier stock paper.
Doug Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Operating paperwork is hard to come by as it was thrown away by train crews or round house workers in cleaning out locos and waycars. The file copies would have been in the depots and towers. I know one of my chiefs said often to help start the fire in the depot heating unit was done with the old paperwork. Train sheets were hung up by month after coming back to the DS office in a store room. I got into the one in Cicero and got a few sheets but the MASS of material was too great to save everything. Along with the sheets would have been books of daily and slow orders, lineups, and track and time. In the BC era(before computer) if you had a new ball point pen it might last 4 days there was that much writing.
A lot of the engineering drawings in Galesburg were redone one summer by an intern and the old Q drawings thrown in the garbage. Again you had to be in the right place at the right time. Station maps in wall paper sizes. The society has reprinted a lot of sheets from my collection. Other stuff from my collection is used in my articles and has been used by others. Sharing material is one of the great aspects of this hobby I tried to add some train orders to the file section but the files are in Doc and so you can not add to the file and save it, You have to start a new file. Speaking of train orders would a train order clinic work for one of our meets?? Retired train dispatcher from train orders thru track warrents and been a picker all my life Steve in SC From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@comcast.net> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 26, 2012 11:32:20 PM Subject: RE: [CBQ] Newberry Archives Nelson-
The Newberry Archives has almost nothing in the way of engineering drawings and operating paperwork, at least in the original collection and the later PR department files. Perhaps the Perkins papers will uncover more such documents….
Charlie Vlk
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:05 PM To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CBQ] Newberry Archives Dave,
Thanks for the heads up on the blog. Please ask them to put some engineering drawings on the blog, not just correspondence. Personally, I’d like to see freight car drawings and railroad structure drawings besides depots e.g. tool houses, sand towers, coal pockets, ash pits, etc. Photos of these would also be very useful to modelers. Also, operating paperwork like employee timetables, clearance cards, Form 19 and Form 31 examples, dispatcher train sheets, rule books, etc.
Nelson Moyer
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