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Johnathan,
Absolutely correct and the photo in Mike's book is in color. The one advantage for modelers of the photos in the Glick book, however, is that Bill's book has Hol Wagner photos of both sides of the car. Sometimes having photos of both sides does make a difference when noting vent locations, window arrangements and which end of the car had the vestibule. "Clover Camp", "Clover Colors" and "Clover Veldt" were all built on Pullman Plan 4036F while "Clover Basin" was built on Plan 4036E. One feature that does differentiate these three Plan 4036F cars is that "Clover Veldt" has ice AC not mechanical AC as found in the other cars that the CB&Q bought in December 1948. "Clover Basin" also had ice AC.
What we will need is for a decal manufacturer to offer a set of "SSS," simulated stainless steel, shadow line decals for these cars, with appropriate names, numbers, etc.
It would also be great to see if there are some nice photos of these cars in their original Pullman scheme or early pre "SSS" CB&Q scheme available.
Later, Dave S.
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From: Jonathan Harris <jonathanharris@earthlink.net> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 11:45 am Subject: [CBQ] Re: "Clover Series" Heavyweight Pullman Sleepers The same photo (in color) is in Mike Spoor's CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment, p. 29.
jonathan --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "sartherdj@..." <sartherdj@...> wrote: > > > OOPS!!! CB&Q # 659 "Clover Veldt" p. 122 in Bill Glick's Burlington Passenger Car Photo Album. > > Later, Dave S. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Myers <Scott.Myers@...> > To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 7:32 am > Subject: RE: [CBQ] "Clover Series" Heavyweight Pullman Sleepers > > > > > > > Dave, > > You mention photos by Hol Wagner on page 122 â€" in what book? > > Thanks, > > Scott Myers > > > > From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DaveS > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:22 AM > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [CBQ] "Clover Series" Heavyweight Pullman Sleepers > > > > > > NKP Car Co is doing 4 Pullman Sleeper "Clover Series" sub-plans - 4036A,B,C, and F/I. > > Nine "Clover Series" Pullman Sleepers could be found in Exposition Flyer Service: "Clover Camp", "Clover Colors", "Clover Downs", "Clover Plant", "Clover Plot", "Clover Town", "Clover Villa", "Clover Veldt" and "Clover Basin". But only seven of these were regularly scheduled. Two cars, "Clover Veldt" and "Clover Basin" had ice air conditioning and were used in emergencies and as through cars to NYC post 1948. On Dec. 31, 1948 the CB&Q took ownership of four "Clover Series" cars: "Clover Camp", "Clover Colors", "Clover Veldt" and "Clover Basin" and leased them back to Pullman to staff. > > "Clover Series" Pullman Sleepers were designated as 8-5 sleepers (8 open sections and 5 double bedrooms) re-built by Pullman on plan 4036F in 1940. There are two nice photos of "Clover Veldt" taken in 1962 at Denver by Hol Wagner on page 122 and another in Bill Glick's Burlington Passenger Car Photo Album Book. These two photos show both sides of "Clover Veldt." Other "Clover" series cars run on the CB&Q included "Clover Damp" and "Clover Colors" which were also built on Plan 4036F and "Clover Basin" which was built on Plan 4036E. One can find some nice line drawings for these same CB&Q 8-5 sleepers in Bill Glick's Passenger Cars of the Burlington 1869 to the 1930's on page 43. A nice clear photo of the one remaining Clover Series Sleeper, now preserved at the Western Railway Museum, "Clover Plot" can be located in Jim Eager's book Western Pacific Color Guide to Freight & Passenger Equipment on p. 14. > > Plans A,B,and C have the sections at the vestibule end and the bedrooms at the blind end. They have the "Gothic" style of rivet patterns, and most of them have a round-top vestibule end. A vs B have different a/c ducts and underbody equipment locations. The sides of the A and B are the same. The C sides differs from A and B in aisle window pattern only. > > The F/I have the sections in the middle of the car with bedrooms on either side. That makes the roof ducting quite different. These cars have the updated 1930's rivet patterns, with most of them having the round-top vestibule end. > A,B, and C were used by Pullman and a number of roads - PRR, ACL, SAL, NYC, SP, CRI&P, Wab, IC, Frisco, MKT, and B&O (but with a betterment arch roof). . Plans F/I were used by the CB&Q, MP, WP, SRR, L&N, SP.. > > Kits include etched-brass sides with separate window sashes and doors, correct resin roof (masters made from BLT roofs), all the Branchline Trains detail parts and trucks (incl Intermountain 36" wheel sets) and necessary instructions. > > Regular price is $77. Firm orders received by June 1st (check or credit card) will be priced at $70, plus $6 s&h up to three kits. If you have a particular car name in mind, NKP Car Co can "customize" the kit with the appropriate roof, end, etc. The special round-top end is an additional $6. > > NKP Car Co expects to ship in June/July. Sides are in stock, roofs are being cast, and all the other BLT parts are in inventory at NPK Car Co. > If you have further questions, please contact NKP Car Co at bnsf739@... > > Happy Modeling!!! Dave S. Tucson, AZ > > This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. > __._,_.___
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