The same photo (in color) is in Mike Spoor's CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and
Passenger Equipment, p. 29.
jonathan
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "sartherdj@..." <sartherdj@...> wrote:
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> OOPS!!! CB&Q # 659 "Clover Veldt" p. 122 in Bill Glick's Burlington
> Passenger Car Photo Album.
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> Later, Dave S.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Myers <Scott.Myers@...>
> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 7:32 am
> Subject: RE: [CBQ] "Clover Series" Heavyweight Pullman Sleepers
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> Dave,
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> You mention photos by Hol Wagner on page 122 â?" in what book?
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> Thanks,
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> Scott Myers
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> From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DaveS
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:22 AM
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CBQ] "Clover Series" Heavyweight Pullman Sleepers
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> NKP Car Co is doing 4 Pullman Sleeper "Clover Series" sub-plans - 4036A,B,C,
> and F/I.
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> Nine "Clover Series" Pullman Sleepers could be found in Exposition Flyer
> Service: "Clover Camp", "Clover Colors", "Clover Downs", "Clover Plant",
> "Clover Plot", "Clover Town", "Clover Villa", "Clover Veldt" and "Clover
> Basin". But only seven of these were regularly scheduled. Two cars, "Clover
> Veldt" and "Clover Basin" had ice air conditioning and were used in
> emergencies and as through cars to NYC post 1948. On Dec. 31, 1948 the CB&Q
> took ownership of four "Clover Series" cars: "Clover Camp", "Clover Colors",
> "Clover Veldt" and "Clover Basin" and leased them back to Pullman to staff.
>
> "Clover Series" Pullman Sleepers were designated as 8-5 sleepers (8 open
> sections and 5 double bedrooms) re-built by Pullman on plan 4036F in 1940.
> There are two nice photos of "Clover Veldt" taken in 1962 at Denver by Hol
> Wagner on page 122 and another in Bill Glick's Burlington Passenger Car Photo
> Album Book. These two photos show both sides of "Clover Veldt." Other
> "Clover" series cars run on the CB&Q included "Clover Damp" and "Clover
> Colors" which were also built on Plan 4036F and "Clover Basin" which was
> built on Plan 4036E. One can find some nice line drawings for these same CB&Q
> 8-5 sleepers in Bill Glick's Passenger Cars of the Burlington 1869 to the
> 1930's on page 43. A nice clear photo of the one remaining Clover Series
> Sleeper, now preserved at the Western Railway Museum, "Clover Plot" can be
> located in Jim Eager's book Western Pacific Color Guide to Freight &
> Passenger Equipment on p. 14.
>
> Plans A,B,and C have the sections at the vestibule end and the bedrooms at
> the blind end. They have the "Gothic" style of rivet patterns, and most of
> them have a round-top vestibule end. A vs B have different a/c ducts and
> underbody equipment locations. The sides of the A and B are the same. The C
> sides differs from A and B in aisle window pattern only.
>
> The F/I have the sections in the middle of the car with bedrooms on either
> side. That makes the roof ducting quite different. These cars have the
> updated 1930's rivet patterns, with most of them having the round-top
> vestibule end.
> A,B, and C were used by Pullman and a number of roads - PRR, ACL, SAL, NYC,
> SP, CRI&P, Wab, IC, Frisco, MKT, and B&O (but with a betterment arch roof). .
> Plans F/I were used by the CB&Q, MP, WP, SRR, L&N, SP..
>
> Kits include etched-brass sides with separate window sashes and doors,
> correct resin roof (masters made from BLT roofs), all the Branchline Trains
> detail parts and trucks (incl Intermountain 36" wheel sets) and necessary
> instructions.
>
> Regular price is $77. Firm orders received by June 1st (check or credit card)
> will be priced at $70, plus $6 s&h up to three kits. If you have a particular
> car name in mind, NKP Car Co can "customize" the kit with the appropriate
> roof, end, etc. The special round-top end is an additional $6.
>
> NKP Car Co expects to ship in June/July. Sides are in stock, roofs are being
> cast, and all the other BLT parts are in inventory at NPK Car Co.
> If you have further questions, please contact NKP Car Co at bnsf739@...
>
> Happy Modeling!!! Dave S. Tucson, AZ
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