Sorry. Hit send too soon.
Here's the info:
In 1945, the CB&Q converted 70'8" AC&F-built PB13 coach #5935 into a yard
office for Keokuk. It served as such until about 1980.
Glad to be able to offer you some info for a change.
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
From: "archie hayden" <kliner@mywdo.com>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Still More Correspondence
> Hol, All this correspondence on the reuse of old coaches reminds me
> of a question concerning the use of an old coach as a yard office at
> Keokuk. I was in this old coach several times when we picked up and
> set out. The last few times they were scraping the car and I recall
> looking up above the drop ceiling that was in the coach and at the end
> of the car in the arched panel above the doors was the letters
> BURLINGTON in beautiful gold leaf paint. How I wish I could have cut
> out those two panels and saved them. I also wish I had looked for
> some type of number also. Old head switchman told me that car was
> there when he came home from WW2. Any other news about this coach?
> On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:09 PM, HOL WAGNER wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's the last of the passenger car related correspondence from the
>> CRRM library.
>>
>> Background: In August 1934, in the depths of the Great Depression,
>> the Q converted three old (1906-07) Pullman wooden dining cars (143,
>> 145-146) that had earlier been steel sheathed into dining-lounge
>> cars numbered 330-332. Such conversions were routinely done to
>> dining cars by simply removing the tables/chairs farthest from the
>> kitchen and replacing them with overstuffed lounge chairs. But this
>> conversion was of a more permanent nature and included adding
>> windows in the end of the cars so they could function as "poor
>> man's" solarium observation cars. Their first assignment was to the
>> Gulf Coast Special of the C&S-FW&D between Denver and Fort Worth. At
>> some point the movable lounge chairs may have been replaced by
>> fixed, rotating parlor chairs, because by the time of the
>> correspondence below, they were referred to as parlor-dining cars,
>> though one letter below still refers to them as diner-lounges. Car
>> 331 had been retired and scrapped at Lincoln in January 1952,
>> leaving only the 330 and 332.
>>
>> Urbach to Melker, Chicago, 3/27/1953:
>> 414.014
>> Referring to correspondence enginer with your letter March 20, in
>> regard to inspection to be made of parlor-diner cars 330 and 332,
>> recently released from company service at Chillicothe [Mo.].
>> Mr. Fee now writes as follows concerning these two cars:
>> "The 330 has been unloaded at Chicago and shold be moved to Lincoln
>> for storage, where the windows should be boarded and car protected
>> as necessary against pilferage or damage.
>> The 332 is on hand at Hannibal and is being considered for use as a
>> building at North St. Louis. If formal authority for that purpose is
>> later furnished the car may then be moved to North St. Louis as
>> contemplated to serve as eating quarters."
>> Please arrange accordingly.
>>
>> The two cars had apparently been used by the Engineering Department
>> during some project in the Chillicothe area, likely connected with
>> construction of the new Centennial Cutoff to Kansas City, which had
>> opened to freight traffic in October 1952 and to passenger traffic
>> in January 1953.
>>
>> Potarf to Moody, Omaha, 3/30/1953:
>> 45-4
>> The Vice President has advised that parlor-diner car 330 has been
>> unloaded at Chicago and should be moved to Linoln for storage where
>> the windows should be boarded and car protected as necessary against
>> pilferage and damage.
>> Will you please arrange to handle.
>>
>> Moody to Bloom, Denver, 3/31/1953
>> Parlor-Diner Car 330 to Lincoln for Storage
>> 412.013 Q
>> Note the following from Mr. Potarf, under date of March 30th:
>> "The Vice President has advised that parlor-diner car 330 has been
>> unloaded at Chicago and should be moved to Linoln for storage where
>> the windows should be boarded and car protected as necessary against
>> pilferage and damage.
>> Will you please arrange to handle."
>> For your information and handling.
>>
>> Melker to H.A. Hollwagen, Chicago, 4/1/1953:
>> 414.014
>> Referring to correspondence ending with your letter of March 17, in
>> regard to inspection made of diner-lounge 330.
>> After this car has been unloaded at Chicago, it should be moved to
>> Lincoln for storage where windows will be boarded up as protection
>> against pilferage or damage. Please arrange to bill this car to
>> Lincoln when it is ready, advising.
>>
>> Potarf to Moody, Omaha, 4/3/1953:
>> 45-4
>> For your further information in connection with my letter of March
>> 30, Mr. Hinshaw has advised under date of April 2, that Dining-
>> Parlor car 330 has been unloaded by the Engineering Department at
>> Chicago and will be billed to Lincoln for storage and car will be
>> moved on first convenient freight train.
>> As advised you previously, upon arrival of this car at Lincoln you
>> should arrange to have the windows boarded and car protected as
>> necessary against pilferage or damage.
>>
>> Urbach to Moody, Chicago, 4/6/1953:
>> 414.014
>> Further to my letter March 27 to Mr. Melker, copy to you, about
>> parlor-dining car 330 being moved to Lincoln for storage.
>> On receipt of this car you should arrange to have windows boarded up
>> to protect against pilferage and damage.
>> Please advise when this has been handled.
>>
>> Moody to Bloom, Denver, 4/7/1953:
>> Parlor-Diner Car 330 to Lincoln for Storage
>> 412.013 Q
>> Further to my letter March 31, about parlor-dining car 330 being
>> moved to Lincoln for storage.
>> On receipt of this car, you should arrange to have windows boarded
>> up to protect against pilferage and damage.
>> Please advise when this has been handled.
>>
>> Bloom to Moody, Lincoln, 4/9/1953:
>> Parlor-Diner Car 330 to Lincoln for Storage
>> 412.013 Q
>> Your letter of April 7, file 412.013 Q, on above subject.
>> Windows of this car have been boarded up at Lincoln.
>>
>> Melker to Moody, Chicago, 4/10/1953:
>> 414.014
>> Referring to Mr. Urbach's letter of March 27, of which you have
>> copy, in regard to inspection to be made of parlor-dining cars 330
>> and 332, recently released from company service.
>> Diner-lounge 330 was unloaded at Chicago and billed to Lincoln,
>> April 1.
>>
>>
>> Moody to Urbach, Denver, 4/10/1953:
>> Parlor-Diner Car 330 to Lincoln for Storage
>> 412.013
>> Your letter of April 6, file 414.014, about parlor-dining car 330
>> being moved to Lincoln for storage.
>> Windows on this car have been boarded up at Lincoln.
>>
>> That concludes a lengthy exchange (10 letters) over a comparatively
>> simple matter -- and all for naught, it would turn out. Neither car
>> ever saw service again, the 330 being scrapped at Eola in September
>> 1957 and the 332 at Hannibal in December 1955, apparently not having
>> been used as a building at North St. Louis. It's interesting to note
>> that the proposed use of the 332 in North St. Louis was as "eating
>> quarters." Such use would not have necessitated that the car be
>> removed from its trucks, and it remains possible that it was used
>> for this purpose. Another similar car -- dinette-lounge-solarium
>> observation car 221 "Riverview" -- was placed in the yard at Lincoln
>> in the mid-1950s, still on its trucks, for use as a lunchroom. First
>> painted white with no lettering, it was repainted Pullman green in
>> the early 1960s and numbered 250051 in May 1967.
>>
>> On to another subject: retirement and reuse of the old open platform
>> suburban coaches in the 7000 series, made surplus by the arrival of
>> new stainless steel gallery cars beginning in 1950. One note: C.E.
>> Melker in late 1952 was assistant superintendent of motive power for
>> Lines West but was soon to be transferred to LInes East, succeeded
>> on Lines West by C.A. Moody:
>>
>> Urbach to Melker, Chicago, 11/4/1952:
>> 412.003
>> We have been requested to have the following 14 suburban cars, now
>> being held at Lincoln for disposition, inspected to determine
>> whether or not any of them would be suitable for conversion to bunk
>> cars or for use as buildings.
>> 7004, 7007, 7015, 7023, 7024, 7025, 7038, 7041, 7046, 7048, 7053,
>> 7055, 7057, 7058
>> Please have this inspection made immediately, and let me have your
>> recommendations.
>> The following 12 Pullman tourist cars on hand at Lincoln should also
>> be inspected promptly to determine if any or all of them can be
>> converted to company service.
>> 1108, 1344, 1462, 1784, 2250, 2299, 2383, 2392, 2416, 2593, 2640, 2652
>> Please advise.
>>
>> Between 1947 and 1954 the Q purchased at total of 69 all-steel
>> tourist sleeping cars from Pullman at real bargain basement prices
>> for conversion into anything the company might think appropriate.
>> Six were converted during 1948 into drovers' cars 5760-5765 (though
>> "conversion" is probably to strong a word, as the cars were simply
>> painted mineral red with black roofs and had reporting marks and
>> numbers applied). The vast majority -- 49 cars -- were painted
>> orange and placed in company service, primarily as bunk cars. And
>> the remaining 14 were either scrapped at Eola or sold for scrap
>> between 1959 and 1963. One of these cars, tourist sleeper 2645,
>> became company service car 250275 in January 1949 and today may be
>> seen at the Galesburg Railroad Museum, once more sporting its
>> original 1921 Pullman name, "Meath." But back to the suburban
>> coaches: From Havelock on Nov. 18, 1952, Melker copeid Urbach's
>> letter to master mechanic Bloom and, when he had not heard from
>> Bloom in what he considered a reasonable time, wrote:
>>
>> Melker to Bloom, Havelock, 11/26/1952:
>> Suburban Cars Suitable for Conversion to Bunk Cars
>> 412.003
>> Please refer to my letter November 18, above subject and file.
>> Please reply promptly.
>>
>> Bloom to Melker, Lincoln, 12/2/1952:
>> Suburban Cars Suitable for Conversion to Bunk Cars
>> 412.003
>> Your letter of Nov. 18, file 412.003, on above subject.
>> All of the cars listed in your letter are practically in the same
>> condition and all are OK to be converted to outfit cars.
>>
>> Melker to Urbach, Havelock, 12/3/1952:
>> Suburban and Tourist Cars Suitable for Conversion to Outfit Cars or
>> Buildings
>> 412.003
>> Your letter November 15, file 412.003, regarding above subject:
>> All of the suburban cars listed in your letter are suitable for
>> conversion to Bunk cars, or for use as buildings, and all of the
>> Pullman Tourist cars listed in your letter are suitable to be
>> converted to company service cars.
>>
>> Melker added a P.S. to Bloom:
>> I presume the above is what you intended to say in your letter of
>> December 2, as your letter does not give desired information.
>>
>> Urbach to Moody, Chicago, 1/19/1953:
>> 412.003
>> Referring to correspondence ending with your [actually Melker's]
>> letter December 3, file 412.003, in regard to suburban cars on hand
>> at Lincoln awaiting disposition.
>> Confirming converstation with your office recently, suburban cars
>> 7032, 7043, 7040 and 7039, which were leased to the North American
>> Steel Company at Camanche, Iowa [on the DRI&NW between Davenport and
>> Clinton], were released to us on December 31, and Mr. Fee has
>> authorized Mr. Simmons to move them to Lincoln for storage.
>> After these four cars have shown up at Lincoln, please make
>> necessary inspection, and advise it they are suitable for conversion
>> to bunk cars, or for use as buildings.
>>
>> Moody repeated Urbach's letter in his own message to Bloom on Jan.
>> 21, to which Bloom replied:
>>
>> Bloom to Moody, Lincoln, 1/27/1953:
>> Suburban and Tourist Cars Suitable for Conversion to Outfit Cars or
>> Buildings
>> 412.003
>> Your letter of Jan. 21, file 412.003, on above subject.
>> The four suburban cars mentioned could be converted to bunk cars or
>> can be used as buildings.
>>
>> Moody relayed the information to Urbach on Jan. 28, and nothing more
>> was heard on the subject until June:
>>
>> Urbach to Melker and Moody, Chicago, June 8:
>> 412.011
>> We have been requested to furnish a coach for use during the summer
>> months by a Careful Handling Committee at small terminals, such as
>> Pacific Junction, Bonneville, Seneca, Gillette, etc., for the
>> purpose of showing motion pictures in the interest of careful
>> handling, claim prevention work, safety first, etc.
>> Suburban car 7041 set aside at Lincoln has been selected for this
>> purpose, and it is being released for Aurora Shops today. On arrival
>> of car at Aurora, it should be thoroughly cleaned, and any items in
>> need of attention should be taken care of.
>> Mr. Carter will instruct the shop people as to what should be done
>> in connection with changes in wiring, lights, etc., and he should be
>> contacted promptly on arrival of car at the shops so instructions
>> can be given.
>> Please arrange accordingly.
>>
>> Simmons to Moody, Chicago, 2:38 p.m., 6/11/1953:
>> SUBURBAN COACH 7041 NOW AT LINCOLN BEING RELEASED BY MECH DEPT TODAY
>> FOR DH MOVEMENT TO AURORA SHOP HANDLE ON CONVENIENT FREIGHT TRAIN DH
>> TO AURORA ILLS FOR SHOP.
>>
>> Later that year another of the old suburban cars was put to use:
>>
>> Urbach to Moody, Chicago, 10/9/1953:
>> 412.011
>> Mr. G.P. Henson is in need of a second old suburban car for use at
>> Morton Park, and wish you would please arrange to select one of
>> those now stored at Lincoln, remove the seats, and have it ready so
>> it will be able to move on rear end of freight train.
>> Please advise number of car selected, and when it is ready to move
>> so that I may notify Mr. Simmons to have it moved to Morton Park.
>> Prompt handling will be appreciated.
>>
>> As usual, Moody forwarded the request to Bloom. Before he received a
>> reply, Moody heard from Urbach again:
>>
>> Urbach to Moody, CHicago, 10/26/1953:
>> 412.011
>> Referring to my letter October 9, in regard to removing seats from
>> one of the old suburban cars set aside at Lincoln, and have car
>> ready so it can move on rear end of freight train to Morton Park.
>> Please advise present status promptly.
>>
>> When Moody contacted Bloom again he at last received a reply:
>>
>> Bloom to Moody, Lincoln, 10/29/1953:
>> Old Suburban Car for Use at Morton Park
>> 412.011 Q
>> Your letter of October 12, file 412.011 Q, on above subject.
>> Old suburban car 7038 was ready last Friday [10/27] and moved out
>> Lincoln on rear end of freight train. Understand from Mr. Henson
>> that he has received car.
>>
>> The next day, Moody passed the news on to Urbach, and that was that.
>> Anyone know what the cars were being used for at Morton Park?
>>
>> All for now.
>>
>> Hol
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