John,
The red nose stripes were adopted on the E units at the same time
that the Chinese red paint scheme was introduced on road freight hood
unit locomotives in 1959. In both red and black, the E-5s only had
three stripes around the nose. The faux grills were red after 1959
and black before. Originally, on the E-5s, the faux grills were
painted on separate plates that were screwed onto the nose structure.
When front MU receptacles were added, the the plate had to be removed
on one side to make the MU connection. The plates were then discarded
and the grills were the grills were painted directly on the nose.
Only the first group of E-7s ending with 9925A&B had three nose
stripes. Subsequent units had the fourth stripe added above the lower
headlight. The E-7s were the first units with a red stripe along the
batten strip at the bottom of the side panels and the thin red arrow
stripe along the side under the air intakes.
The stripes were intended to represent the front window area on the
shovel nose Zephyrs and the faux grills represented the shovel nose
grills on either side of the headlight. In very late years, the
grills were eliminated on some later E's. Whether any E-5s had them
eliminated, I don't know. Some E-5s did operate for a while without
the grill plates and did not have the grills painted on.
BRHS Bulletin #10 is an excellent source for information on Q E units.
Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO
On Mar 5, 2011, at 2:44 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Q E5 Units
> Posted by: "John Manion" railbass@comcast.net manionjohn68
> Fri Mar 4, 2011 8:58 pm (PST)
>
>
>
> I'm sure this question has been raised before, but I am kitbashing
> three undec Proto 2000 E6A-B units into E5A-Bs. I have Union Station
> Products corrugated passenger car siding and am using a NWSL riveter
> to make the sign board. My question is about the color of the faux
> grills and nose stripes. In looking at Holck's Burlington Route
> Color Pictorial, Vol 1, he says that the E7s were introduced in 1945
> with three black stripes. He also shows three photos of E5s in 1947,
> 1956, and 1958, all with three black stripes. He also shows photos
> of E7s, E8s and E9s with four red stripes. What was the Q guidance
> on these stripes? When did they change from black to red? In
> particular, when did the three black stripes on the E5s change to red,
> as a Chuck Ziegler 1964 photo on the BRHS gallery shows an E5 with red
> stripes and grills. IRM's Silver Pilot has three black stripes, but
> as that is a historic restoration, it could be any period.
>
> As I have three sets to paint and decal, I want to represent the E5
> through its history. For what periods should I use black stripes,
> and when should I use red?
> - John Manion
> Denver, CO
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