From: HOL WAGNER
John:
After looking at the
three Baldwin builder's photos of 9352 (broadside, front 3/4 and rear
3/4), I don't know why three sets of 7" numerals were provided for each
unit, because in addition to those appearing on the two cab sides, the
only other place the road number appeared on the as-delivered units was
on the rear of the cab, above and to the right of the headlight, with
the reporting marks above and to the left of that headlight. And they
appear to be smaller 5" numbers and letters. There was no number painted
on the front of the hood, as there was really no good place for it.
That's why the Q (and other roads) added a rectangular metal plate over
the top of the radiator screen, just below the headlight. And again,
this used smaller numerals, probably 5". Sorry for the confusion.
As for the ongoing discussion of the large herald and block gothic white
numbers applied to the earliest NW2s and the second batch of SW1s, this
appears to have simply been an experiment by the railroad to see how
they looked. And the big herald, in particular, looked ungainly and
toy-like and was soon replaced with the smaller size. There are a good
many in-service photos of these units with the large heralds and block
gothic numbers, so the always frugal Q presumably didn't rush to repaint
the cab sides and apply more standard graphics.
Hol
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q VO-1000 #9352
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:28:10 -0700
From: John Manion <railbass@comcast.net
Hol -
I sorted through my decals this afternoon and found that the
Microscale steam decals for tenders are far too large. However,
Champ has 30"x36" heralds in their steam locomotive decal (EH-20) with
gold, red, and gold striping around it. If I cut carefully around
the herald, it will end up with gold surrounded by red, enclosing gold
lettering, which matches your description and the photos. I will use
Microscale's CB&Q hood units (87-15) for the "Everywhere West" and
"Way of the Zephyrs" in white. The Champ decals' gold lettering
looks too orange, so I will use Microscale's CB&Q Steam (87-1130) for
the numbering and initials. The numbers below the herald on the cab
side appear to be the 7" size, and the number and initials above the
rear cab windows appear to be 4", which is on the 87-1130. The
photos show all four views of the unit, or "motor," in CB&Q terms, but
I do not see any rectangular number plate on the front of the hood.
Was that added by the Q after delivery? Where was that placed?
- John
> From: HOL WAGNER
>
> It was definitely a paint scheme unique to the first order of
VO1000s,
> and the Q probably adding the gray top and the striping before
WWII was
> over, as I have never seen an in-service photo in the "bland"
scheme,
> except for shortly after delivery.
> Yes, most of the other early switchers came in black paint, but
not the
> three Midwest units, which were delivered in the motor car scheme of
> Pullman green with yellow and red safety highlights. One of them
wore a
> simplified version of this scheme (without the red) into the
1950s at
Omaha.
> Hol
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q VO-1000 #9352
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:10:41 -0700
> From: John Manion <railbass@comcast.net >
> Hol -
> Thanks for the info on the Baldwin VO-1000s. I think the early
> industrial-type switchers were also painted all black-such as the
> Mack, Whitcomb, Porter, and GE 44 ton. Was this unique to the
> VO-1000s or were other early switchers, such as the SW, SW1,
NW1, and
> NW2? This will make an interesting model of an early switcher on the
> Q.
> - John
:
> > from: HOL WAGNER
> >
> > John:
> > The Burlington Route heralds and road numbers on the cabs of
> these units
> > were standard Burlington steam locomotive decals, and thus
employed
> > Dulux gold instead of white, and the herald had a red border. My
> > authority for this statement is an Oct. 13, 1943, letter from Q
> general
> > superintendent of motive power H.H. Urbach to storekeepers R.D.
> Long and
> > H.V. Schiltz:
> > "The following decalcomanias will be required for lettering
the six
> > [shortly increased to eight] Baldwin Diesel switchers we are to
> receive
> > from the Baldwin De La Vergne Sales Corporation, Philadelphia, Pa.
> > "The switchers will be numbered 9350 to 9355, incl. [and this was
> soon
> > raised to 9357].
> > "12 30" x 36" Burlington Route monograms
> > "18 7" high figures #9
> > "21 7" high figures #3
> > "21 7" high figures #5
> > "3 7" high figures #0
> > "3 7" high figures #1
> > "3 7" high figures #2
> > "3 7" high figures #4
> > "Will you please arrange to forward this material so that
> builder may
> > apply them?
> > "The first two switchers are due to leave the plant Oct. 20th and
> 22nd.
> > "A diagram is being made up to show the location of the
> lettering and
> > numbers."
> > The letter is amended in pencil to include the necessary
additional
> > decals for two more units, 9356 and 9357. The reason for
> supplying three
> > sets of unit numbers for each unit is for both sides of the cab
> and the
> > rectangular number plate on the front of the hood.
> > As for the "Blackbird" scheme, it was adopted in 1940 and was
first
> > applied to SW1s 9141-9147 and NW2s 9203-9204, though these units
> came
> > with the road numbers in Burlington Block Gothic instead of
Railroad
> > Roman. The previous order of SW1s, units 9136-9140, came in the
same
> > solid black scheme as the SWs and NW1s of 1937, with "BURLINGTON"
> > spelled out on the hood in Dulux gold Railroad Roman and the
> herald and
> > road number on the cab sides, again employing steam locomotive
> decals.
> > At this time, black was the standard EMC paint scheme, and that
> remained
> > the case until WWII. The EMC painting specs for units 9136-9140
> read as
> > follows:
> > "Exterior Finish: Consists of:
> > "( a ) Special primer (1 coat)
> > "( b ) Surfacer (6 to 8 coats)
> > "( c ) Knife glaze
> > "( d ) Wet-sand entire surface by hand and machine
> > "( e ) Gun glaze entire surface
> > "( f ) Dry-sand and thoroughly clean
> > "( g ) Duco finish (6 to 8 coats) (Black is standard)
> > "Cab Interior: "Ceiling and walls finished in green Dulux. Maple
> floor
> > and all wood trim varnished.
> > "Power Plant
> > Compartment: "Primed and finished in postal car buff Dulux.
> > "Under Carriage: "Underframe black (2 coats).
> > "Trucks: "Underframe black (2 coats).
> > "Special Colors: "Special exterior color treatment can be
> supplied at
> > additional cost."
> > Obviously, the builder was concerned about producing a fine
> finish --
> > and this was even before Electro-Motive had become a division of
> General
> > Motors!
> > As for the solid black scheme on the first VO1000s, that was
> simply a
> > wartime expediency, to which the additional colors of the
> "Blackbird"
> > scheme could be added by the railroad at a later date. The only
> change
> > from the pre-1940 switcher scheme was the use of the white script
> > "Everywhere West" and "Way of the Zephyrs" slogans in place of
> the gold
> > "BURLINGTON" on the hood sides. When the script "Way of the
> Zephyrs" was
> > first adopted for use on freight cars in 1937, there was
> considerable
> > debate about what style of "Z" to use -- cursive, as the
> remainder of
> > the script, or the more recognizable free-standing capital "Z"
which
> > eventually won out.
> > Hope this helps.
> > Hol
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q VO-1000 #9352
> > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:12:57 -0700
> > From: John Manion <railbass@comcast.net
> >
> > A couple of weeks ago, I had raised the question about the
attached
> > photos of VO-1000 #9352, which appear to be builders photos
from the
> > BRHS photo gallery. Built in Dec 1943, the motor appears to be all
> > black with white lettering. I am trying to find out what decals to
> > use on a Stewart VO-1000 to model this loco.
> >
> > The "Everywhere West" and "Way of the Zephyrs" appear to be the
same
> > white as on the blackbird paint scheme, which appeared later on
> these
> > units. My main questions are about the herald and lettering on the
> > side and rear of the cab. The Burlington Route herald appears
to be
> > outlined in white and another color. Charlie Vlk thought it
might be
> > white and gold, as were on the steam tenders at the time. However,
> > the color does not seem to have a tint to it, as gold would be,
so I
> > am thinking it might be white and red, as on the blackbird
scheme. I
> > am also wondering if the numbers and initials on the cab are
> white, as
> > on the blackbird scheme, or gold, as on the steam engines. Does
> > anyone know of color photos of these early units during the
war? Was
> > this unique to Baldwin units or did other early Q switchers
come in
> > this scheme? When did the blackbird scheme first appear?
> >
> > I have most of the Q books, but I have not seen a photo of this
> scheme
> > in any of them. Does anyone know of painting instructions for
these
> > units? Was this a scheme devised by the Q or by Baldwin?
> > - John Manion
> > Denver, CO
>
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