Steve...Yes indeed you do...Your "OS Creston" piece is still my all time
favorite BB article.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: STEVEN HOLDING <sholding@sbcglobal.net>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:30 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Arrival/Departure Time Question
Pete
Looks like I need to get on my "OS BN" article
Steve in SC
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From: "Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com" <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 11:19:40 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Arrival/Departure Time Question
Nelson...Are you looking at a public timetable or an employees
TT???....Typically an operating TT would not show the arrival time unless it's
an extended stop ie No. 7 (a mail train)...I'm looking at a 1961 Public TT and
an ETT for the same period..The public TT shows same arrival time for the "big
time" trains..ie No. 1, DZ...17 CZ No. 3 AKZ. T. The times shown in a public
timetable is strictly for the information of "the traveling public". The basic
rule in reading an operating TT is that..."if only one time is shown it is the
departure time". The fact that the same time is shown for arrival and departure
just indicates that the stop is a very short one..if you look at the public TT
for the same period for other trains ie No. 7 it would show AR 4:45...departure
5:50...This was a mail train hence lots of station work and maybe switching.
Burlington was not a Division point, or crew change point for E-W trains...It
was not a register station either, but the special instrucitons provide.."No
train order signal at Burlington..Conductor and engineer must have Clearance
form A.
All trains stopped at Burlington...the Zephrys only a couple of minutes...
As to the pronunctiation...it's ak SAR ben....I presume you know that Aksarben
is Nebraska spelled backwards.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: rmh711 <rmh711@aol.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Arrival/Departure Time Question
Hello,
I'll take a stab at it. I've not railroaded on the Q but most of the rules are
similar.
First I'm wondering if Burlington was a register station? Trains arriving
Burlington would have to register their arrival at the station either by hand
writing certain train information in the train register or by throwing off a
register ticket to the agent who would then register the trains arrival. This
information would then be used by crews on inferior trains to ascertain whether
all trains superior to theirs had arrived before they could depart.
No schedule train may depart a station where time is shown ahead of the
schedule
leaving time. So if the train reaches a station at or after the time given (and
time shown are always leaving times unless noted), it would not have to stop,
barring other circumstances requiring the train to stop.
It might go something like this: the time is 11:45 pm, the eastbound Z is due
in
at 12:01 am and is superior to all westbound trains. A westbound 2nd class
train
is ready to leave the yard at the station. The conductor of the 2nd class train
would check the train register and determine that the eastbound Z had not yet
arrived and he doesn't have time to make the next station and clear up
according
to the rules so he fills out register check and give it to the engineer so he
is
aware of the situation and they decide to stay in the clear until the Z arrives.
Now you're the crew on the Z. You make the station on the schedule time, you
throw off a register ticket to the station agent and because you're on time and
have no stationwork, you blow right on by.
Now let's say you arrive at the station at 11:55 pm. You stop to clear the
switch where an opposing train would take the siding (or at the station sight
if
there is no siding) and wait until your schedule leaving time and then depart.
There are other variables of course and I'm not familiar with the schedule but
I'd say that the Z's would not have to stop at the station and yea it's been a
number of years since I railroaded this way.
rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson Moyer <ku0a@mchsi.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:19 am
Subject: [CBQ] Arrival/Departure Time Question
I've been looking at train arrival/departure times for Burlington, IA in
949. Several trains including the CZ, DZ, NZ, Coloradoan, and Ak-Sar-Ben
how the same arrival and departure times. Does this mean that these trains
idn't stop, or that the stop was less than one minute?
Also, how is Ak-Sar-Ben pronounced, i.e. which syllable is accented?
Nelson
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