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From: STEVEN HOLDING <sholding@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:30:45 -0800 (PST)
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Pete
Looks like I need to get on my "OS BN" article
Steve in SC





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From: "Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com" <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 11:19:40 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Arrival/Departure Time Question

  

Nelson...Are you looking at a public timetable or an employees 
TT???....Typically an operating TT would not show the arrival time unless it's 
an extended stop  ie No. 7 (a mail train)...I'm looking at a 1961 Public TT and 
an ETT for the same period..The public TT shows same arrival time for the "big 
time" trains..ie No. 1, DZ...17 CZ No. 3 AKZ.  T.  The times shown in a public 
timetable is strictly for the information of "the traveling public".   The 
basic 
rule in reading an operating TT is that..."if only one time is shown it is the 
departure time".  The fact that the same time is shown for arrival and 
departure 
just indicates that the stop is a very short one..if you look at the public TT 
for the same period for other trains ie No. 7 it would show  AR 
4:45...departure 
5:50...This was a mail train hence lots of station work and maybe switching.

Burlington was not a Division point, or crew change point for E-W trains...It 
was not a register station either, but the special instrucitons provide.."No 
train order signal at Burlington..Conductor and engineer must have Clearance 
form A. 


All trains stopped at Burlington...the Zephrys only a couple of minutes...

As to the pronunctiation...it's   ak SAR ben....I presume you know that 
Aksarben 
is Nebraska spelled backwards.

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: rmh711 <rmh711@aol.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Arrival/Departure Time Question

Hello, 

I'll take a stab at it. I've not railroaded on the Q but most of the rules are 
similar.

First I'm wondering if Burlington was a register station? Trains arriving 
Burlington would have to register their arrival at the station either by hand 
writing certain train information in the train register or by throwing off a 
register ticket to the agent who would then register the trains arrival. This 
information would then be used by crews on inferior trains to ascertain whether 
all trains superior to theirs had arrived before they could depart.

No schedule train may depart a station where time is shown ahead of the 
schedule 
leaving time. So if the train reaches a station at or after the time given (and 
time shown are always leaving times unless noted), it would not have to stop, 
barring other circumstances requiring the train to stop.

It might go something like this: the time is 11:45 pm, the eastbound Z is due 
in 
at 12:01 am and is superior to all westbound trains. A westbound 2nd class 
train 
is ready to leave the yard at the station. The conductor of the 2nd class train 
would check the train register and determine that the eastbound Z had not yet 
arrived and he doesn't have time to make the next station and clear up 
according 
to the rules so he fills out register check and give it to the engineer so he 
is 
aware of the situation and they decide to stay in the clear until the Z arrives.

Now you're the crew on the Z. You make the station on the schedule time, you 
throw off a register ticket to the station agent and because you're on time and 
have no stationwork, you blow right on by. 


Now let's say you arrive at the station at 11:55 pm. You stop to clear the 
switch where an opposing train would take the siding (or at the station sight 
if 
there is no siding) and wait until your schedule leaving time and then depart.

There are other variables of course and I'm not familiar with the schedule but 
I'd say that the Z's would not have to stop at the station and yea it's been a 
number of years since I railroaded this way.

rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson Moyer <ku0a@mchsi.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:19 am
Subject: [CBQ] Arrival/Departure Time Question

I've been looking at train arrival/departure times for Burlington, IA in
949. Several trains including the CZ, DZ, NZ, Coloradoan, and Ak-Sar-Ben
how the same arrival and departure times. Does this mean that these trains
idn't stop, or that the stop was less than one minute?
Also, how is Ak-Sar-Ben pronounced, i.e. which syllable is accented?
Nelson

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