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RE: [CBQ] Flagg Center to Savanna Mainline, and other similar segments

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Subject: RE: [CBQ] Flagg Center to Savanna Mainline, and other similar segments
From: GLEN HAUG <glenehaug@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 21:42:30 -0700
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Rich:
 
I believe all of the answers to your post are correct.  I have been doing some 
research on signal history, and while the segment from Oregon to Savanna was 
not specifically mentioned in early correspondence, I found information written 
about several segments of the mainline where the Q's management was not 
satisfied with the geometry of their original main track, and they either 
postponed adding a second track until they had the money to relocate the 
original main, or they added signals at a very early date to provide a 
satisfactory operation.  For a variety of reasons, they never got around to 
improving the original track, adding the second track, or postponed these 
improvements for many years.
 
A prime example was the grade between Whitebreast (west of Indianola Jct.) and 
Troy (later replaced by Shannon) in central Iowa.  When the Q extended the 
double track west from Chariton, in 1900, they skipped this 3 mile segment 
because they were so dis-satisfied with the eastbound grade of the original 
track up from Whitebreast Creek.  The EB ruling grade had to approach 1.5%.  
The Q did not have, or chose not to spend, the money to relocate the original 
main, and made the decision to install 'lock and block' signals on the single 
main instead.  They were ultimately able to get by for a long time, because the 
single main was still in existence in 1933 when CTC was installed between 
Chariton and Shannon, and it was 1936 before the second (EB) main was 
constructed.  The original main was never relocated, and exists today as the 
Westbound track.
 
I suspect the segment from Oregon to Savanna was another one of those segments 
that management wrangled with, wondering if the money necessary to fix the 
undulating profile of the track was worth it.  In 1946, when CTC was installed 
between Flag Center and Savanna Tower, information provided indicated that 
traffic consisted of 12 passenger trains and from 9 to 12 freight trains daily. 
 Also important was the fact that all but a couple locals were in fast through 
service.  The proposed siding capacity was to be 140 cars, which exceeded by 
quite a bit the average freight train consist of 80 cars.  This, coupled with 
the close siding spacing of about 6 miles average, was projected to enable most 
meets to occur without stopping.  Whether the actual operation was this smooth 
or not, the expenditure for CTC probably put to rest any further discussion 
that might have taken place about the need to add a second track.
 
Glen Haug
 


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From: rgortowski@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 11:30:32 -0400
Subject: [CBQ] Flagg Center to Savanna Mainline


  




List,

This may have been discussed before, but I don't recall it. I'm curious about 
the decision the Q made not to double track the Minneapolis mainline on the C&I 
from Flagg Center, IL to Savanna, IL. This was (and remains) an awfully busy 
stretch of track for a single main. I know this was one of the earliest 
installations of CTC in the US, but I'm interested as to why this stretch was 
never double tracked.

Thanks,

Rich

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