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Re: [CBQ] Q wreck Old Monroe

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Q wreck Old Monroe
From: archie hayden <kliner@mywdo.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:43:59 -0500
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Pete,  I didn't have pictures of this incident but did have pictures  
of the accident of train # 3 at Shelbina, Mo on Aug 9, 1944 where  
engine 2929 overturned when entering the siding too fast.  2 killed 9  
injured.  Archie
On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com wrote:

>
>
> RE the Old Monroe "rear ender"...Over the years I've spent more time  
> than I should have looking at the ICC Investigations reports and  
> have become fairly famiiar with them, especially those involving our  
> favorite rr. I must confess, however, that,after looking this one  
> up, apparently it's one I had forgotten about or never hit on  
> before...
>
> I, being one of those guys "living in the past" have become quite  
> familiar with the tales of Harry Bedwell, E.S. Dellinger, John Johns  
> etc in the old RAILROAD MAGAZINE, have found that some of the old  
> ICC reports make almost as good reading as those stories.
>
> In the instant case that head end crew on the following train was  
> presented with conditons which today we would call "a perfect  
> storm"...Those conditions were a "false clear" (which theoretically  
> can't happen) within yard limits. Under Rule 93 which is explained  
> in the report second class and extra trains can occupy the main  
> track within yard limits without flag protection required under Rule  
> 99. Those trains within yard limits need only protect agains first  
> class trains. Second class and extra trains moving within yard  
> limits most proceed at "restricted speed" defined as a speed which  
> will permit stopping "short of train, engine or other obstruction or  
> swith not properly lined".
>
> Another rule provides that Rule 93 does not permit second class or  
> extra trains moving within yard limits to rely on signal indication  
> to determine that the the track ahead is not obstructed....Of  
> course, over the years even through my time in the operating end of  
> things the common practice was to indeed rely on signal indication  
> to determine conditions ahead in yard limits. The way the rule was  
> written the crew who did the hitting had no legitimate  
> alibi...obviously if hit somebody or some thing ....ipso-facto he  
> was not moving at restricted speed.
>
> The ICC criticized the Q officials...as they always did in cases  
> like this...for allowing the practice of relying on signal  
> indication in yard limits to continue with the tacit approval of  
> management.
>
> Archie...you indicated...IIRC that you had some photos and perhaps  
> further info on this matter...Do you have any idea what kind of  
> discipline that head end crew received as a result of that fracas.
>
> Any of you guys interested in knowing more about railroad operation  
> in the days of Timetable and Train Orders spend some time going back  
> and reading some of the old reports...The files go back to 1911. Not  
> every accident that happened on every US railroad is there, but  
> there is some good stuff...depending on your definition of "good  
> stuff".
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Conrad Cheatham <okete12000@yahoo.com>
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:38 am
> Subject: [CBQ] Q wreck
>
> Group,
> Thanks to Archie and Ken for info on the ICC accident reports. Wayne  
> will be delighted with this information. Are there any photos of  
> this event?
> Conrad Cheatham
>
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