Nelson,
I live in Burlington and know a lot about this subject. Burlington joint owned
the line from Burlington to Mediapolis up until the 60's because they have that
line to Winfield and Washington. RI rerouted sometime from Keokuk up the Des
Moines line to eldon , Ia to Fairfield back to the Burlington line to
Burlington and up their line to Mediapolis. I have these BB#30 and Rails to a
County Seat.
Lamoyne
(BCR&NRY)
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From: Nelson Moyer <ku0a@mchsi.com>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 4:14:07 PM
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Burlington-RI-Milwaukee Interchange in Washington, IA?
Thanks, Dave. I don't have BB#30 or Rails to a County Seat, just some
photocopied pages from library copies. I keep hoping BRHS will reissue BB#30
on CD-ROM soon. I'd like to have BB#25 on stock cars, as well.
The Sanborn map I checked was dated May 1931-July 1943. I attached the map
that includes the wye. Other track layouts for the RI and Milwaukee are
accurate, so I'm not sure why the wye wouldn't be accurate, as well. If
yahoogroups blocks the attachment, email me directly at
nelson-moyer@ uiowa.edu and I'll send it to you.
It would make sense to interchange, and I thought about the possibility of
modeling bridge traffic between Burlington and Washington, but a local old
timer reminded me that if RI wanted to route traffic from Burlington to
Washington, they would send it up to Columbus Jct. and then over to
Washington without using the Q. That begs a question about what was
interchanged with the RI and Milwaukee.
>From my reading, it seems that RI didn't permit the Q to do business between
Burlington and Mediapolis as part of the trackage rights agreement (Latty,
Sperry, and Mediapolis). If RI wouldn't allow interchange in Mediapolis, why
would they permit interchange in Washington?
Nelson
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From: CBQ@yahoogroups. com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave
Lotz
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:06 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Burlington-RI- Milwaukee Interchange in Washington, IA?
Hi Nelson,
Please remember that the purpose of the Sanborn maps were for Insurance
purposes and were focused on buildings, not trackage.
In BB30, both the Valuation map on page 48 and the Alignment chart on page
49 show that the Q trackage did connect with the CRI&P's on the East leg of
the wye. TO my knowledge the west leg of the wye did not connect. These
are railroad documents, so I trust them over the Sanborn maps.
If you look closely at the photo on Page 3 of Rails to a County Seat, you
can see a photo of this connection on the East leg of the wye, and the photo
on the bottom of page 59 shows Dennis Franzen standing where the Q had
pulled up it's rails, whereas the Rock's rails still remain. The ties
behind Dennis show the turnout at the "top" of the wye, and that matches
what can be seen in the photo on Page 3. And last, but not least,
photographically, take a look at the photo on the back cover of BB30 showing
a RI loco on the Q tracks south of the Q depot.
When I was interviewing retired railroad employees about the operations on
this line for these two publications, many of them through their stories
confirmed that this connection existed. One such story was that on a very
cold morning crews on the Milwaukee could not get their locomotive to start
and they convinced the Q crew to "jump" start the loco. To do this they had
to first travel over RI tracks to get to the Milwaukee's tracks as the Q and
the Milwaukee did not have a direct connection. This was all done without
the knowledge or permission of any of the three road's dispatchers.
Dave Lotz
Co-Author "Rails to a County Seat"
Author "Burlington Bulletin #30"
-----Original Message-----
From: CBQ@yahoogroups. com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Nelson
Moyer
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:04 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [CBQ] Burlington-RI- Milwaukee Interchange in Washington, IA?
While perusing Sanborn maps of Washington, IA, I noted that neither leg of
the wye connected to the RI tracks. This was a revelation, since Burlington
Bulletin #30 states on page 48 that "Here, the Burlington Line connected
with the Rock Island and also interchanged with the Milwaukee which was
immediately north of the RI tracks". The track map in BB#30 shows an
interchange on the East leg of the wye. The 1921 photo of the East leg of
the wye does not clearly show a connection, though the photo is not sharply
focused and poorly reproduced on page 3 of Rails to a County Seat.
My question is, was there an interchange between the Burlington and RI in
Washington, IA? The Sanborn maps do not show one, thought both stubs of the
wye are quite close to RI track.
Nelson Moyer
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