John,
Burlington Route Historical Society Burlington Bulletin #10 is
devoted entirely to Q's "E" units. Includes almost everything you
might want to know the fleet. On page 34, there is a list which,
except for a few units, shows which were fitted with stainless steel
panels and which were not. The panel status of five E7s were unknown
at the time of publication. Starting with E8 9964, all units, E8s and
E9s, were delivered from EMD with stainless steel panels. A total of
12 E7s and 11 E8s were never equipped with stainless steel panels
including the two represented by your models. So Proto 2000
apparently did the job correctly. It does not appear that there was
any rhyme or reason in determining which unit received the SS panels
and which did not. The three F3 passenger consists, were generally
removed from CZ service in 1952. They were not repainted until about
1955 or later. They never received stainless steel panels.
Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO
On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:32 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Q Passenger Units
> Posted by: "John Manion" railbass@comcast.net manionjohn68
> Tue Dec 8, 2009 5:36 pm (PST)
>
>
>
> I am going through a lot of my stuff now, doing some house
> cleaning, and I
> opened up a Proto 2000 CB&Q E8A #9943A and a CB&Q E7A #9921A. One
> of the
> things I noticed is that both units are painted aluminum. I also
> checked
> my Athearn Genesis CB&Q F3 #9962A-B-C, which is also painted
> aluminum. I
> know that Athearn Genesis has been doing an exceptional job
> researching
> their diesels, and I have the WP F3s which have stainless steel panels
> behind the cab doors and below the belt line. Athearn is not perfect,
> because I bought a D&RGW F3A rebuilt to an F9M (#5531) with horizontal
> grilles instead of the F9 vertical grilles. I brought this to
> Athearn's
> attention, and they quickly sent me a set of vertical grilles as
> replacements.
>
> I recalled that Q E motors had stainless steel side panels on them. I
> opened up Michael Spoors' four volumes and Alfred Holck's two
> volumes and
> started reviewing them for E photos. Spoor covers this issue on pp.
> 10-11
> of Volume 1, when he shows a photo of #9937A and mentions that as
> the first
> E8A, its stainless steel sides were installed by the West
> Burlington diesel
> shop. He also shows a photo of #9964 and says that it was the first
> E8 to
> come from EMD with stainless steel side panels. The stainless steel
> panels
> were installed behind the cab doors and below the air intake
> grilles. I
> also saw a number of photos of E7s in Holck's Volume 1, in pp. 74-75,
> showing stainless steel panels installed in the same way except for
> the
> vertical grille behind the cab doors, which is painted aluminum.
>
> This raises a number of questions. Holck says that E7A #9924A
> remained in
> aluminum paint throughout its career. In what order, if any, did the Q
> install stainless steel side panels to E7s, E8s, and E9s? Was there
> any
> system used to pick the E motors which received this upgraded feature?
> Spoor says that E8A #9964A was the first motor of the third order
> of E8s
> from EMD and the first to come from EMD with stainless steel side
> panels in
> 1952. Were all of the E9s built with stainless steel side panels? Were
> the B motors also built or retrofitted with stainless steel side
> panels?
> During what period were the E7s and first E8s retrofitted with these
> sides? From looking at photos, I assume that the passenger F3s were
> painted aluminum until they were placed in freight service and painted
> gray. Did any of the F3s - #9960, 9961, and 9962 - ever receive
> stainless
> steel side panels?
>
> The easiest class for this question are my favorite Q diesel, the
> E5s, as
> they were built with stainless steel sheathing covering their
> bodies, making
> them one of the most magnificent diesels ever. I am building an A-B
> set
> from a Proto 2000 E6 A-B set, adding the corrugated fluting to the
> sides.
> I am using the plans from the November 2003 *Mainline Modeler*.
> - John Manion
> Denver, CO
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