John,
Love Colorado, and I am stuck in Illinois. Please give me your price for SILVER
DOVE, SILVER TOP, and SILVER CHAIR.
Then give me a price for you entire lot.
I used to model HO, had the BWL CZ cars, including SILVER SKY, but sold the
house and moved into an apartment, so I had to switch to N Scale. I have only a
4 X 8 layout, am limited to train length.
Thanks again.
Jim Schwarz
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, John Manion <railbass@...> wrote:
>
> Jim -
> I have a small collection of CZ and CB&Q stainless cars in N from Kato and
> Con-Cor. I picked them up over the years at train shows, but I have the
> Kato original CZ train in N and will probably do no more in N than that. I
> am primarily an HO modeler and have 22 of the BWL CZ cars. If you are
> interested in these N cars, I can get them to you at a reasonable price. I
> pulled out the BWL CZ Silver Dove and compared to car diagrams in Karl
> Zimmerman's Story of the California Zephyr, it matches the diagram for
> Silver Gull, which is the D&RGW 6-5 sleeper identical to Silver Dove. Each
> has 11 rectangular windows on the bedroom-compartment side and 6 rectangular
> windows on the corridor side.
>
> The N cars I have which could be converted to 6/5 sleepers are 3 Con-Cor
> undec 10/6 sleepers, 1 CB&Q Con-Cor 10/6 sleeper (Silver Pass), 2 CB&Q
> Con-Cor parlor cars (Silver Top/Silver Chair) , 1 CZ Con-Cor parlor car
> (Silver Spring), 1 Con-Cor undec coach, 1 CZ Kato 10/6 sleeper (Silver
> Crag), 1 CB&Q Kato 10/6 sleeper (Silver Prairie), and 2 CB&Q Kato coaches
> (Silver Birch/Silver Cloud). All of these are painted flat-top cars. I am
> unsure of how accurate or correctly named these cars are, although I found
> most on the BRHS stainless equipment roster. The CZ never had parlor cars,
> according to Zimmerman, and Silver Spring was a 52-seat CB&Q coach for pool
> service. The window spacing of the Kato 10/6 sleepers is quite different
> from the Con-Cor models, but Kato says these were built in 1952. The two
> Kato coaches are only 79' 8", which they say was common for lightweight
> coaches built prior to 1945. The BRHS listing says Cloud and Birch were 52
> seat coaches built in 1940 for pool service. I would suggest the 10/6
> sleepers or parlor cars would be a good starting point for a 6/5 sleeper.
>
> If you are near the Denver area, I am coordinating the Great Train Expo
> exhibit for the Rio Grande Modeling & Historical Society at the National
> Western Stock Show Complex for Nov 7-8 and will be there for almost the
> entire weekend. We could meet on this topic at that time and place. Let
> me know what you want to do about these cars, if anything, at
> railbass@...
> - John Manion
> Denver, CO
>
> The main thing you would have to do to convert these cars to the 6/5
> sleepers would be to cut and fill the windows and make some underframe and
> interior changes. You would then paint these cars in a stainless steel
> color and use Microscale 60-108 CZ decals for lettering. I might suggest
> that if you are going to do this, you might want to get an HO BWL model of
> CB&Q Silver Dove, Silver Quail, or Silver Thrush, D&RGW Silver Gull, or WP
> Silver Swallow or Silver Crane and work the window spacing and lettering
> from one of them, as they are very good models. BWL is making a 2nd run of
> these cars at this time.
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:35 AM, domelinerdude <domelinerdude@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > The 1953 CZ version of the 6 Double Bedroom, 5 Compartment sleeper (i.e.
> > Sivler Dove, Silver Quail, etc.)was produced by Oriental in brass
> > approximately 20 years ago as part of a line CZ.
> >
> > The 1956 DZ version of the 6-5 sleeper was then produced by Railway
> > Classics in the Denver Zephyr boxed sets.
> >
> > Sometimes you will see the cars show up on ebay.
> >
> > You should be able to find one if you keep watching.
> >
> > Hubert
> >
> >
> > --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ%40yahoogroups.com>, "jimschwarz1947"
> > <jas.schwarz@> wrote:
> > >
> > > These sleepers were added to the CZ in 1952, which is the time frame for
> > my modeling.
> > >
> > > However, I have been unable to find a 6/5 sleeper (Crane, Dove, Gull,
> > Quail, Swallow, Thrush)anywhere.
> > >
> > > 1. Does anyone know if they were ever produced, and by what manufacturer?
> > >
> > > 2. Does anyone have 1 or 2 they wish to part with?
> > >
> > > 3. I know that window arrangements were different for all cars, but is
> > there on type on car that would be a suitable stand-in?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance. Please reply to jas.schwarz@
> > >
> > > Jim Schwarz
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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