Hello Denny,
Thank you for the additional information and the recollections from staff who
worked the trains, and your information on this topic.
I was thinking about the false floor in the dome, mistakenly thinking about the
CZ dome dorm, then a light bulb went off and I realized you referred to the SP
domes. They certainly did have alot of space for things such as storage.
Hubert
i Denny--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:
>
> The "false floor" under the SP domes was because the dome was single
> level, i.e. the floor space below was not of sufficient height for
> standing room for a second level. I have no idea where access to this
> space might have been.
>
> It was very much early in the days of Amtrak when I made several round
> trips to Chicago on the SFZ, at least one of which was with a CZ diner/
> SP done combo. The steward was a former SP old hand who shared some
> lively mutual interests , as well as long time friendships with Tom
> Lochhead, longtime then-retired superintendent of dining cars for the
> SP (and avid O-gauge modeler). This steward was the one who related
> to me this limitation of the CZ diners in Amtrak service, and that
> they could not be used on the SFZ without the dome's added storage
> capacity.
>
> Just how did the continuing availability (or not) of commissary
> facilities in Ogden/Salt Lake, or Denver in early Amtrak days
> influence this reported limitation, I do not know.
>
> Hubert's comments on Amtrak's greater demand for ready-to-eat items,
> undoubtedly also played a role.
>
> Although I certainly do not recall specifics, I seem to recall that
> the Amtrak/ SP domes went through to Chicago for only a limited period
> of time, and this probably also represented the same time the CZ
> diners were also so used.
>
> Hubert's recollection of working in the former GM&O commissary
> facility in St. Louis, brings again to the fore one of the most
> interesting a little noted features of the GM&O's dining servces,
> their purchase and use in service of one of the Milwaukee's 1938 large-
> windowed ribside diners. Over the years I have seen this car still in
> Milwaukee maroon/orange livery in the KC Union Depot, and one photo of
> it on the dead line in the GM&O's beautiful red/maroon livery.
>
> Denny S. Anspach MD
> Okoboji, IA
>
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