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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: TRAIN ORDERS
From: STEVEN HOLDING <sholding@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:27:01 -0700 (PDT)
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OK Pete.  I will work one up as soon as I can get unpacked from the move.
On the BN we did not use the 31 form but when you needed to restrict a train 
you just had the op copy the order and when the crew signed it(using the 
standard green 19) you completed it.
I use to copy the Wood Street Bridge Order every nite at Aurora Tower when they 
were rebuilding it.  I would make a set when the DS gave it out.  When GB(Union 
Station) and OA(Eola)repeated his I would make another set while checking his 
repeat.  Later in the nite I would  repeat the copies to the DS and that way 
have enough made for the morning suburbans.  Most times you made enough so the 
incoming operator did not have to make and repeat them right away.  One time at 
Aurora Tower I had to give orders to an eastbound Mainline train that had UP 
motors and no radio.  Also there was no train order signal so I just held the 
last signal and as the train drifted down thru the depot when down with the 
orders in the hoop.  The crew could see me and headed toward the east end of 
the depot.  After the head end had his I ran up the stairs(open tread made of 
steel rods all see thru including the landing at the top)(( about 3 or 4 
stories up at the door on the back
 side of the tower)) and pulled the last signal so he would not have to stop.
There use to be a train order signal for dinkys coming out of the Aurora Yard 
up by Farnsworth on the lead.  This was only used if orders were to be handed 
up by the operator at Eola.  Never could keep my collar tight enough for the 
dinkys not to blow snow down my neck.  And you never knew where the crews would 
pop out to grab orders as three sets had to go to each dinky.  Head end,  
Middle, and Rear.  
One time in later years while walking out to catch the 2:05 dinky to work at 
Cicero House 9 when the DS office was there.  I saw the first trick op on the 
platform getting ready to hand up to the Fox River Wayfreight(Eola to Wedron 
and return) and stop to talk to Arnold.  The head end went by catching his 
orders and as the waycar went by.  No one was there to catch the orders??  
Arnold looked at me and I at him then he headed to the tower while I headed to 
the train.  Those in the days of a kinder gentel Railroad.
SJH




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From: "Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com" <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:28:17 AM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re:  TRAIN ORDERS






Thanks guys...My little post envoked the response that I had hoped..All who 
replied supplied good and correct information regarding Quiz Kids..,Train 
orders and Schaeffer's SCRIPT ink.

I didn't think that anybody would come up with Joel Kupperman but? 
VOILA...there he is....My grandfather was a big fan of Quiz Kids and I well 
remember listening to the program with him...Joel's name was the only one I 
recalled.

More than one...including the "usual suspects"? ie Steve, and Lenny declamed 
well on the train order matter...Someone else came up with the reason for the 
writing being on the back and seen through the tissue paper..hence the name 
"flimsy"...Just a little additonal note re that method.

Remember that in the early days engines and waycars didn't have electric lights 
and it was necessary to be able read clearly the TO's via a kerosene trainman's 
lantern or very dim oil fired cab gage lights.?? There was also the matter of 
these TO's getting wet and the ink on the back side would reduce the possibilty 
of smearing or dissolving.? Because of the "flimsy" characteristic the order 
could be held up against the light and the writing would show through the thin 
tissue paper.

Steve's comments re the "stack" preparation were excellent.? To my best 
recollection most operators kept their stacks made up in which the requisite 
number of copies were always "at the ready" for instant use. When the DS rang 
the station ...The OP answered with the station name..The DS said?? 
"...station. ..? 19..copy 5 east.?? You old operators will know that the OP 
would reply?? "SD (stop displayed) east.? The DS would then dictate the order 
simultaneously to all stations involved spelling out the names and numbers.? 
Each station would repeat the order back to the DS in the order they were 
addressed.?? The old head OPs had a "sing song" to their repeats which was a 
delight to listen to...If you weren't listening closely or didn't understand 
what was going on you would think think that they were "speaking in tongues".?? 
When the repeats had been done to the DS's satisfaction he would say? "Order 
123 complete at....time.. ..and sign with the
 superintendent' s initials...Some roads used the Chief Dispatcher's initials.

I used to sit on the operator's table in the depot at Langdon MO and listen to 
everything I've described above.? I was initially fascinated by the use of the 
"stylus" as Steve pointed out...I couldn't figure out how anything with no ink 
source could write.? Most of the OP's carried their own stylus and also their 
own personal "Bug"...(a spring loaded telegraph key).?? Also it wasn't until 
somewhat late in the game that the rules permitted train orders to be 
typewritten. ? The old operators had a bold "script" or "fist" which? readily 
identified the person as a telegraph operator...This, I believe was taught in 
the Schools of Telegraphy and certainly by the operators as they trained a 
"cub".

Steve...you need to do a clinic on TO's and demonstrate the repetition 
procedure... It was a thing of beauty...

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: wohrnell@sbcglobal. net
To: CBQ@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 9:56 am
Subject: [CBQ] Re: Train/car bridges? was Re: Burlington Railroad Bridge, now 
fount

Roy,

The form 19 were green and were used for routine train orders, the form 31 were 
yellow and were used for restricted orders, they had to be signed for by the 
train crew(s) they were issued to. The only time I copied 31 orders was during 
the flood of 65 at Connett (railroad name) located a little East of Gulfport, 
IL.

Lenny Ohrnell

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