Leo/Pete:
I find it interesting that a Conductor or Engineer would
not, as it was by rule, want to give another member of an
employee orders. I do not see much point of having any of
these jobs even bothering to work.
As the worlds of Railroad that is what ended up as time
changed. Now we have a Conductor and an Engineer. That is
all there is. Two people, two orders. (Actually we have a
few jobs that only have a one man crew. Also really have no
Engineers on yards at all since units are run from the
ground.) It also has changed that no one is "hired" as a
Engineer. There is no such job. They are only hired as
Conductors and are then qualified as Engineers after one
year. Even management is changing as they are now set up
as "Trainmasters" and then get qualified as "Road Foreman".
Then there is only necessary as one job.
I find the real world to make more sense than to go way
in the past. Yes, it does need to be understood but that
is all.
Russ
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Sent: Friday, 06 February, 2009 10:43
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Intimidation Factor
> Leo
>
> I neglected to say in my note re your reading the orders.......? You may
> have come close to committing the "unpardonable sin"...I was never guilty
> of such egregious behaviour.....
>
> That sort of "temptation', I found out later after going to work for the
> RI did not exist on all railroads....On the RI two sets of orders and
> clearances were delivered to both ends of the train...It was kind of nice
> since there were some "old head" engineers who didn't consider those such
> as I "worthy" to partake of the contents of the orders.?? I can recall
> more than one instance where I had to "could I see the orders please" and
> the OH would reluctantly pull them out of his pocket and allow one of the
> great unwashed to peruse the sacred documents.
>
> After picking up orders "on the fly" I always handed them directly and
> still folded to the second named addressee without delay.
>
> As I recall in the example I cited in my post I had to make a formal
> request of George every time we got orders...He was reluctant to give them
> up and I ?thusly was, shall we say, 'scared" to offer comment or initiate
> discussion.?
>
> In perusing the old ICC accident reports I observed on several occasions
> that the engineer had not shared or discussed the contents of the orders
> with the fireman or head brakeman...This was certainly foolish on the part
> of these guys.but again...THAT'S HOW IT WAS.
>
> Pete
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qutlx1@aol.com
> To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 9:47 pm
> Subject: [CBQ] Intimidation Factor
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The intimidation factor also worked as a positive force for learning and
> complying with the rules:
>
> One morning I'm an extra man filling in as the rear brkmn on an eastbound
> dinky out of the "Hill Yard" back when you had to check the order board at
> Farnsworth Ave to confirm running orders for your train at Eola. The
> "middle" man
> was also an extra man and as the middle man it was his responsibility to
> check the order board and grab orders at Eola yard office as we went past.
> As
> usual all three of us were comfortably situated in the rear coach as we
> would
> piddle along for some time before the first passenger stop. The middle man
> didn't raise himself off the cushions as we went over Farnsworth and onto
> the
> main. Here comes the positive intimidation factor.
>
> Ed Metz"the grand pubab" was the "boss" on this job and when the middle
> man
> didn't move Ed softly inquired as to whether he was going to "check the
> board
> or not" the guy responded he didn't see the need "since every train got
> orders". Ed proceeded to rip this guy w/o mercy quoting rule word for word
> and
> letting him know that too many men had died not paying attention to order
> boards. Further if he didn't want to comply with the rules he was free to
> get
> off at Eola. Needless to say the board was quickly checked and orders
> caught.
> Wish somebody would write a book about Ed. Ed was the Condrs "griever" for
> many,many years.
>
> Second positive case of intimidation:
>
> One beautiful spring day I'm the head man on one of those tie everything
> but
> the yard office on extra easts out of Savanna, around the horn. At Denrock
> we slow and I line the switch for the Mendota branch and stay on the front
> platform until I grab the orders. There's a healthy pile of them this day
> and I
> return to my seat in the cab and read them. I then hand them to the
> engineer
> with a comment about one or two.
> I then returned to my seat.
>
> What do you think happened next ? Clue.... Who are orders addressed to ?
> I'll wait for a bit before telling "the rest of the story"
>
> Leo
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