Greetings Norm,
Wow!
Many thanks to Hol. for this excellent information.
Regards, Mark
----- Original Message ----
From: Norm Metcalf <n.metcalf@worldnet.att.net>
To: DRGW@yahoogroups.com; cbq@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:52:50 PM
Subject: [CBQ] Re: [DRGW] Re: Hudsons on the Joint Line
HOL WAGNER wrote:
> Norm:
>
> You might want to post this:
>
> Re: this discussion of a few days ago of Q Hudsons on the C&S,
> specifically the Joint Line. It simply did not happen. In fact, the
> only time a Q Hudson operated on the C&S was on June 22, 1937, when no
> less than newly streamlined S-4-A 4000 "Aeolus" pulled the summer
> inaugural run of trains 25-26, the /Buffalo Bill/, between Denver and
> Cody, Wyo. The seven-car train would have been no problem for the
> 78-inch-drivered Hudson, but the grades and curves of the line north of
> Denver would certainly have kept "Alice" from exercising her full
> potential. Maximum speed would have been only between 50 and 60 mph.
>
> As for the Joint Line south of Denver, no S-4s ever operated over the
> route. But the C&S did lease several Q B-1-A 4-8-2s during the
> 1930s-40s for use in passenger service between Denver and Trinidad. And
> on a single occasion, a pair of Q O-5-A Northerns made the run south
> from Denver all the way to Dallas -- for the New Year's Day 1938 Cotton
> Bowl in which Rice (Houston) defeated the University of Colorado 28-14.
> Two special trains, each powered by a new O-5-A, took Buffs fans from
> Denver to the game and back home.
>
> Hol Wagner
>
>
> Mark Sellars wrote:
> > Greetings All,
> >
> > The 4-6-4s were largely built for speed on passenger trains.
> > They did not cope all that well on the 74 ft in the mile ruling
> grade up to Palmer Lake.
> >
> > And yes, the C&S and FW&D engines were not infrequent visitors on
> the Q.
> > But they were not 'speedsters' and would not, I would guess, be
> power of choice on anything but secondary passenger or freight trains.
> >
> > The Aeolus was specifically built for powering a Zephyr run for
> when a train set or engine was out of service; hence the stream lining.
> >
> > The C&S frequently leased Q steam power for freight trains and
> these ran between Denver and points south.
> >
> > Bob, thanks for the extra information on the Q. Personally I do
> not know a great deal about the Q but am always willing to learn.
> >
> > Regards, Mark
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast. net <mailto:rgz17@comcast. net>>
> > To: DRGW@yahoogroups. com <mailto:DRGW@yahoogroups. com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:54:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DRGW] Re: Hudsons on the Joint Line
> >
> >
> > Well... remember that the joint line was operated by the C&S - not
> > the CB&Q. And the C&S had their own stable of locomotives. It
> > would be far more likely to see a FW&D locomotive than a Q one on
> the
> > Joint Line. And, though you never say never - I'd bet it didn't
> > happen except in extreme situations if at all.
> >
> > The 4-6-4's were used well past the Zephyr era - as that started
> with
> > the Pioneer Zephyr in the early 30's, and the 4-6-4s were running on
> > the Expo well into the late '40s. Too, they'd still be seen on the
> > Coloradoan and other "2nd tier" trains well after the Zephyr era
> started.
> >
> > The two Aeolus locomotives (Alice the Goons) were used on multiple
> > Zephyrs, so not just "the Zephyr". In fact most runs were on the
> > Twin Cities - more so than the DZ, or other Zephyr. Though there are
> > photos of the King & Queen being on the Expo and E5s or Os on the DZ
> > - Aeolus was not typically kept for that run.
> >
> > Aeolus & the Colorado Southern did have something in common - Aeolus
> > is "the keep of the winds" and Boreas (as in the Pass) is the North
> > Wind (Zephyrus being the West Wind).
> >
> > At 10:13 PM 8/16/2008, you wrote:
> >> The CB&Q frequently operated 4-6-4s between Chicago and Denver in
> >> the pre-zephyr era. And used the "Aeolus" when the Zephyr was
> out of action.
> >> But as far as I know these engines did not venture onto to the
> Joint Line.
> >> Regards, Mark
> >
> > Bob Webber
> >
> >
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