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Re: [CBQ] Re: CZ Consists & Broadway Limited cars

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: CZ Consists & Broadway Limited cars
From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 19:08:39 -0500
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The best I have is 7 of 13.  It just strikes me as odd, with 30 cars, 
you'd think at some point you'd come closer.  As Steve said, I guess 
that's what makes things fun.

You can obviously over analyze such things.  I had thought that there 
might be a good chance - at some point I'll make my wife compute the 
odds for me, then perhaps I won't be quite as surprised (she's the 
math major - she'll find THAT fun).

My concept was, that if I had 5 cars that could be renamed, I should 
be able to easily make up 1 train, let alone the possibility of 2.

But, when you think of it, there are a lot of permutations.  Given 6 
baggage cars on the prototype and 2 in model, 18 dome coaches, 10 in 
model, 6 dome lounges, 3 in model, 6 diners, 2 in model, 19 10-6s 8 
in model, 6 16 sections, 2 models, 6 obs, 2 models.  Pre- 1952 of 
course.  Even so there are still a few million combinations (or 
more).  I started it with the concept of creating a "typical" 
consist, and though to get as close as possible.  Said typical 
consist would be used in a few places (web pages, presentation, article).

This sort of thing makes me wonder if the Walthers model is easier 
(i.e. the buyer applies the name).  The problem is the length of 
plates.  But that is an easier way of building a good EB 
consist.   Now to have the fun of assembling a 1960's era consist of 
the Twin Cities Zephyr with the TCZ, EB & NCL all in the train.  I 
remember watching them go by from my bedroom in Riverside.

Perhaps, it's all just excellent research and marketing by BLI....

At 03:39 PM 5/7/2008, you wrote:
>So Bob, are you saying that out of the 150+ consists that you have,
>and with the cars that you have, that there's not one consist that
>included 6 out of 10 or 5 out of 10 of your chosen BLI cars?  That's
>amazing.  I would have thought that the odds of buying a random set
>of cars to make one complete consist would have hit on at least a
>few consists showing at least 50% of them in there.  Makes you
>wonder.
>
>Karl
>
>--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Bob Webber <rgz17@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have been attempting to gather together and gain some insight
>into
> > the consists I have for the CZ - over 150.  Mostly early 60s.
> >
> > So, once I had them all in a spreadsheet, I highlighted those cars
>I
> > have from Broadway - and I have enough for 2.5 trains (extras for
> > Exposition Flyer & Ak-Sar-Ben Zephyr).
> >
> > What I found was interesting, if not a little frustrating.    You
> > would think that the odds were decent that I might get 6 of 10 or
> > thereabouts.  Nope.  I have 7 dome coaches.  There is not a
>consist
> > that has any three.  No consist has any three of the 7 10-6s.
>And
> > forget about attempting to use the other cars (16s, 6-5, baggage,
> > diner, dome-obs, lounge).  Only one consist had 2 of the main 4
> > (baggage, lounge, diner, obs) together.
> >
> > It begins to make me wonder if Broadway hadn't had this all
>figured
> > out and they decided to ensure a good 2nd or 3rd run!   Even with
>a
> > few "undec" cars, it won't be happening.  Obviously, a reasonable
> > consist can be put together with believable cars.  But... it would
> > have been nice if I could have gotten a little closer.
> >
> > But that's what the consist project is about.  To understand
> > patterns, equipment uses, and such.  Entertaining....
> >
> >
> > Bob Webber
> >
>
>
>
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