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Re: [CBQ] Thinking about F Units -- Grayback vs. Bloody Nose vs. Faded

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Thinking about F Units -- Grayback vs. Bloody Nose vs. Faded
From: kohlj@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:19:49 +0000
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 No wonder your confused!  You're crossing SP with CB&Q!  :)

CB&Q did not have a 'bloody nose' scheme.  However, it did have quite a few 
variants.  I'll see if I can list them all...

Switchers - very early SW variants had black with white "Burlington" and 
nothing more.  Then came the 'Blackbird' schemes - (some older hoggers have 
stated that nobody called them Blackbird back then)
This consisted of black base, grey top, and red-outlined gray striping at the 
front.   A solid band consisting of a red stripe over yellow went around the 
running board.  "Burlington", "Everywhere West" or "Way of the Zephyrs" would 
appear on the side, depending on the year.  In switchers, this scheme became 
confusing as later variants did not have red or yellow stripes on the scheme at 
all.

Freight - freight locomotives followed the switchers with the 'Blackbird' 
scheme, but progressed on with the 'Chinese red' variant.  This consisted of a 
red base, with gray top and white stripes on the nose.  No switchers were 
painted in this variant, although one FW&D switcher was.  "Burlington" was all 
that was used on these locomotives.  Finally, immediately prior to the merger, 
some freight locomotives came out with a green base (not exactly BN green, 
either), a black top, and a white 'hockey stick' down the side.   This was the 
final CB&Q scheme.

Passenger - passenger locomotives probably were the most consistent.  Not 
including the all-silver early Zephyrs (pre-E units), all passenger locos of 
the E-units were silver with either black or red striping on the nose.  Some 
locos had a black triangular grill painted on the nose to simulate the look of 
the early Zephyr locomotives.

F-units - again were very standard.  All grey (grayback) with a longish-oval 
red band across the front containing thin white stripes.  Another red band ran 
down the side.  "Burlington" was always the side lettering.  The "Burlington 
Route" logo was blazoned on the center of the red band at the front.  B-units 
were gray and carried the red side band down.  "Burlington" was found on them 
as well.

Hope that helps!

Cheers!

Jan Kohl
Castle Graphics
www.castlegraphics.com


  -------------- Original message from Frankensteam <earlraysa@yahoo.com>: 
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            On the subject of F Unites, and their various paint schemes, 
specifically, the F-3's and F-7's.
   
  I'll bet this has come up before, but I just can't work this out in my head, 
simply put; what's the difference between a Gray-back, Faded and a Bloody Nose? 
I know of at least five different paint schemes used by the CB&Q on their 
diesel motive power during the Transition Era.
   
  To red stripe or not.
   
  Modeling based on Microscale Decal blueprints (87-90 Burlington F Unit Cabs), 
only confused me more. They show a silver Bloody Nose A-B with the big red 
stripe across the port-holes, but I've never seen a commercial version produced 
like that or any pics from back-in-the-day, to support this scheme.
   
  Even Walther's, seems to not have this sorted out --sometimes using the 
various names interchangeably.
   
  Love ta hear from someone who was actually there! Engineers, firemen, 
brakemen and the like.

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