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Re: [CBQ] Proto 1000 Q USRA composite gons

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From: "Rob Manley" <robev1630@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:39:28 -0500
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Leo and GA-15 fans,

I just checked the Walthers website to see what the commotion was all about and 
it is the same P1K USRA car that was out a couple of years ago. I think I saw 
one at my LHS back then and wasn't moved to buy any. I have built a few of the 
Intermountain cars and think they are the best and most accurate version of the 
USRA cars. Besides you know love to roll my own. 

I start by chopping away the plastic grab iron parts runner, trash it and 
substitute Tichy bronze grabs. At my BRHS clinic in Streator I showed the guys 
how to pre shorten  them using the Tichy hole drilling jig that comes in thier 
NYC boxcar and PFE reefer. Basically it lets you to cut them to about 1/16" 
from the drop bend.  This allows you to glue them in the mounting holes without 
having to cut the excess poking into the inside of the car. If you don't cut 
them down first, it leaves little nubs on the corrugated ends and wood sides. 
Not important if you want to put a permanent coal load in the car but you'll 
loose that laser blasted floor and the carefully rendered inside corrugations. 
It just makes a neater car and the grabs look much more to scale than the 
plastic counterparts. I also use sheet lead from my old roof flashing to weight 
the car down fitting itbetween the plastic floor and the etched wood floor.

I have a brass version from Oriental that was made in the 80's and compared to 
the IM car is a little heavy on the details. I paid about 5 bucks more than the 
retail of the IM car at Wheaton back then. Now the WmKW RTR car is OK but if 
you are concerned about eras and how long the car lasted you may have an issue. 
The Q liked to keep thier composite cars that way until scrapped or converted. 
They weren't known to strip the wood off and steel sheet the hoppers, gons and 
boxcars like the Rock or IC. Odd considering I think of the Rock as a poor 
man's Q. Anyway what they did do to the gons to upgrade them is to cut down the 
sides at the floor level and lower the sides and ends 18 inches. I've bought a 
couple of the kits to do just that but ended building them as lettered  which 
is why I now have a M&StL & Monon car. This was done to 1/2 the fleet about 
1927 - 28. Murphy ends were replaced with recessed Dreadnaughts. From 1936-37 
the remaining 391 unmodified cars were lowered and given solid floors. They 
also attempted a few TOFC cars from the GA-5s but didn't last long and were 
relegated to company service. My point is the one piece body would be a 
nightmare to cut down if you wanted a later date car. The other issue I have is 
the P1K looks a little high in the saddle. Look at the 2 photos in the BRHS 
freight car plastic modeling  guide to see what I mean. Look around the draft 
gear area. 

Admittedly the P1K car can help you achieve a large fleet, fast. The Q had 
2,000 of these cars built and used them extensively for coal service. You could 
build the Sunshine resin kits of other classes to suppplement your fleet and 
add diversity, see them on the BRHS site. To save time use the WmKW car but 
remember IM now has these cars built up along with the Tichy C&S USRA hoppers. 
However you know how I feel about prebuilt kits unless you rip off all the 
poorly de-burred plastic parts and replace them with metal stuff. Don't forget 
to get some etched stainless Carmer cut levers.

If you want the full story on all the composite gons make sure you have the 
Freight Car Data Sheet #7 and the Burlington Bulletin on the Coalfields.

1/87thly Yours,
Rob Manley





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  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:59 PM
  Subject: [CBQ] Proto 1000 Q USRA composite gons


  Any comments pro/con on the upcoming Walthers Proto 1000 Q USRA composite 
  gons? I've checked BB #35 but can't tell when these were gone from the fleet.

  Leo Phillipp

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