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Re: [CBQ] ??? re BroadwayLimited CZ cars

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] ??? re BroadwayLimited CZ cars
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:30:10 EST
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The BLI CZ cars are plated. With the ownership letter boards on the car ends, 
this makes the cars other than the 6-5 Pullmans, makes the cars un prototype 
for any other of the Burlington Budd cars. The Budd built 6-5 Pullmans you'd 
have to change the lettering of the owner name boards to "Pullman" that would 
make them prototype for the DZ 5-6 Pullmans such as Silver Pelican. Of course 
that's the 56 DZ.

I understand the undecorated cars are plated with all the letter boards not 
named. Also the name boards are different lengths. The "CZ" name boards are 
molded on the car body, which makes them not usable for the Rio Grande Zephyr. 
I 
would have thought BLI would have considered this since the RGZ didn't carry 
the big letter boards. Although I have seen shots of the early RGZ with the big 
letterboards.

If BLI on the undec cars would include a blank panel, fluted but flush to the 
car side, for the ownership letter boards of the CZ cars, thus the Baggage 
Car and Diner would be prototype for baggage cars Silver Treasure (after the 
boiler was removed), Argo and Olympus and Diners Silver Salver and Silver Feast 
(47 TCZ Diners). 

Plug the extra three windows on the isle side of the double bedroom on the 
10-6 Pullmans and you could do prototype, the 1952 Budd built 10-6 Pullmans. 
The 
two 10-6 Pullmans the Burlington added to the CZ pool in 1952 Silver Crag and 
Silver Chasm also didn't have the three extra windows on the double bedroom 
isle. 

Of course the CZ 10-6's were used in other trains, fully lettered for the CZ. 
With the new head end equipment from Walthers, Athearn, the 6100 HW Coaches 
from Branchline, yes they're off by one window but look great, and extra 10-6 
Pullmans from your CZ pool, one could put together a really fine  Aksarben, 
American Royal Zephyr, or the Blackhawk. I don't know how often it was used on 
the Aksarben but the CZ Observation did show up. In Chicago a CZ train set laid 
over for 24 hours. Today's #18 would become #17 tomorrow. Thus CZ cars could 
make a KC CHI turn and be back in the CZ 24 hours later. 

Walthers has announced a postwar smooth side 10-6 Pullman, built by Pullman 
Standard. From the drawings if appears to be prototype for the PRR. P Company 
liked those small windows and they showed up in a number of the post war PS 
build cars. Also this same 10-6 was lettered for the L&N and I'm sure there are 
other railroads as well. Here's a perfect "extra" Pullman to put in the CZ. 
Also Walthers produced a PS coach with stainless steel below the window band. 
Again here's a car you can use in the CZ in the DRG&W paint. Just remember to 
place the car behind the baggage since foreign cars didn't have the CZ train PA 
system wiring. Now with the odd Pullman in front of the Observation. 

Since the railroad sold space and not a specific car in the CZ with the one 
exception of the Drawing Room in the Observation, thus a passenger could have 
space in Silver Rapids and not be in the NYC-Oakland Pullman. As close as I can 
estimate it would take a single 10-6 Pullman in the through service appox 10 
days to make the full round trip from Chicago - Oakland, Oakland - NYC, and 
then NYC - Chicago to start the through car pool all over again. It was a daily 
service. Thus many foreign 10-6's showed up in this service which lasted from 
1949-1958, when Silver Rapids returned to the PRR. Silver Rapids still had the 
full skirting well into the PC era. Today Silver Rapids is privately owned. 
In my CZ I sometimes run a NYC 10-6, PRR 10-5, or a C&O 10-6. Just for trivia, 
Silver Rapids got her name from Silver (CZ) and Rapids (PRR 10-6's were 
"something" Rapids).

Loren Johnson


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