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Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q - RR affiliations
From: Bob Webber <no17@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:37:00 -0600
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The CB&Q had a very good relationship with the D&RGW at Denver.  In 
fact, they ran 2nd (or other) sections of the Denver Zephyr into 
Denver that then ran on the Yampa Valley (Train 10) to Winter Park as 
part of a ski package from Chicago in the early and mid-sixties some 
head end and coaches only).  In addition, they CB&Q regularly lent HW 
coaches to the D&RGW for ski train and special train uses.

Through subsidiary C&S, they shared the Joint Line trackage from 
Denver to Pueblo and shared some switching duties (and had some 
locomotives, in steam and diesel lettered for both).  The line south 
from Pueblo was shared, but differently.  At Trinidad, there was 
another connection with the AT&SF.

In Denver, the AT&SF & CB&Q shared the yard (later Rice yard).

At the same time, they were rivals in the Chicago - KC trade (among others).

The Q did forward to the UP in Omaha and had run through arrangements 
with the UP.  There were mixes of locomotives, check the archives and 
you'll see references to the different arrangements.  Also with the 
C&S there were connections with the UP from Denver north through 
Wyoming.  Although, how friendly, you can judge - the CB&Q started 
the Powder River area.  There's a great pair of photos in a recent 
Trains with a mid-60's and a recent Powder River area shot.  A bit of 
a change!

The SP at that time didn't reach the Q and they were never aligned 
with the historically friendly railroads.

Others with a lot more background can provide details of the UP 
connections.  There are photos of the CB&Q locomotives on the D&RGW 
and vice versa - but the arrangement was not the best.  The D&RGW 
power was built and modified for the mountains, and the Q power was 
not.  The water cooling that the D&RGW put in helped a great deal in 
the tunnels and other road's locomotives suffered for the lack of it 
(these are the 2nd gen EMD units).  The D&RGW and Q also coordinated 
the California Service, but that was late 60's early 70's.
t 08:57 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>    From: "mc_brennan" <mc_brennan@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Could someone please share a brief insight regarding the affiliations
>the CB&Q maintained from the years 1950 to 1960.
>
>Specifically, what other RR's did they share duties with via
>interchanges, carrying one another's cars, or mixing engines within
>larger consists?
>
>I am hoping the SP, the UP and/or the ATSF had a friendly relationship
>with the CB&Q during that decade.
>
>Thanks!

Bob Webber 




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